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Hypo-e/albino or Hypo-e splotched Nelsoni/sinaloae??? Or maybe even Hypo-e/t positive, t pos./splotched?

Also have a quick question on the splotched nelsoni and the patternless sinaloae. Are these genes compatible? or do you get double hets or a mixture between the two?
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Jimmy Tintle

I know that Shannon Brown is probably ahead of everybody else on this..I will be breeding a T-Pos Male next spring to a Albino Splotched, a Hypo-E, VP Albino and a few others. Will also be breeding 3 T-Pos Females to Splotched and Albino Splotched, etc.
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
1.1 Aberrant Snow Hondurans
2.4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.3 Aberrant Tangerine Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
0.1 Hypo E Sinaloan
1.0 Het Hypo E & Amel Sinaloan
0.1 Amel het Hypo E and Splotched
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Splotched Sinaloan
1.2 Poss Het T pos Sinaloan
1.2 T pos Sinaloan

Thanks Scott, I figured Shannon to be the one ahead in the t pos. realm of things. I was just wondering if anyone else had produced any too. I wonder if anyone produced a Amel HypoE Splotched yet. Or if any one was producing any Amel HypoE het splotched. You sure have a very nice list of animals to be working with. I have a male albino splotched and a hypoE female, so hopefully I can produce some triple hets next year.

Thanks for the info, and I will keep you in mind for next year for sure.
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Jimmy Tintle

Jimmy,
Scott said it well, Shannon is most likely further along than most on any of these projects and there are only a small number who have the patience in the waiting to see what these color/pattern mutation combinations will produce. Along with Scott, Shannon, Applegate and Don Shores there are a few others that bought animals from me when I sold off my collection that should hopefully be adding some intersting examples to the mix.
Hope you are well.
Nathan Wells

Thanks Nathan! I am just surprised not to see any HypoE Splotched yet. I saw Don produced a nice male amel hypoE this year. All is well here, thanks so much!

Jimmy

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Jimmy Tintle

Shannon had 2 clutches go bad or he would have hatched some already, from what I hear. So, he and I may be at the same level on that for next year...never can tell with Shannon!

My Hypo-E and Amel het Hypo-E/Splotched from Nathan Wells gave me some great stuff and more to come next season....cant wait! Hoping for a Hypo-E Splotched and Maybe a Snow Nelson's at some point...
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
1.1 Aberrant Snow Hondurans
2.4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.3 Aberrant Tangerine Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
0.1 Hypo E Sinaloan
1.0 Het Hypo E & Amel Sinaloan
0.1 Amel het Hypo E and Splotched
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Splotched Sinaloan
1.2 Poss Het T pos Sinaloan
1.2 T pos Sinaloan

"Hoping for a Hypo-E Splotched and Maybe a Snow Nelson's at some point"

Scott, where is this known anery "nelsoni" to produce this snow first of all?..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

correct me if i'm wrong, but there isn't a true anerythirstic milk in any of the sub-species. they're all a form of hypoerythistic, are they not?

Well, in my opinion, some seem to be more anerythristic looking technically, and some seem to be EXTREMELY hypoerythristic looking where a hint of pink hue is noticeable. Young snakes can give false readings too because you can actually see the blood in the snakes tissue itself through the skin and scales because of the extremely thin skin and scales of tiny snakes. Just as you can see into their heads too in amels, or see the dark eyes of a young leucistic Texas Ratsnake through the top of it's head etc...Only when they are older and their skin/scales get thicker can you no longer see into the actual snakes tissue. Also how much obscuring by any degree of melanin would tend to come into play some too as they mature.

Some anery milks are fairly pink, and some types seem to display no pink that I can detect. It might be similar to the varying degrees of hypomelanism we see in many snakes, where it is the same gene but has many varying degrees of expression. Many genes seem to be like this where there can be great degrees of variation, and not all absolutely identical.

Certain snow Hondurans are pretty much evidence of this great variation in their displaying reds and pinks or not. Sort of a tough thing to mail-down with absolute certainty.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

You havent seen mine, LOL?
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
1.1 Aberrant Snow Hondurans
2.4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.3 Aberrant Tangerine Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
0.1 Hypo E Sinaloan
1.0 Het Hypo E & Amel Sinaloan
0.1 Amel het Hypo E and Splotched
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Splotched Sinaloan
1.2 Poss Het T pos Sinaloan
1.2 T pos Sinaloan

"You havent seen mine, LOL?"

Actually, yes, I believe I remember that animal very well, but from what I recall it was a Sinaloan...

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Scott, could you repost the pic? Do you still have it?
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Jimmy Tintle

Hey, I was joking...got a head of myself in what I would need for a Snow Nelsons. I do have several variations of Hypo and one of them looks fairly like a Ghost version rather than a Hypo-E.
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
1.1 Aberrant Snow Hondurans
2.4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.3 Aberrant Tangerine Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
0.1 Hypo E Sinaloan
1.0 Het Hypo E & Amel Sinaloan
0.1 Amel het Hypo E and Splotched
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Splotched Sinaloan
1.2 Poss Het T pos Sinaloan
1.2 T pos Sinaloan

Scott, who has that awesome looking anery Sinaloan that was posted here maybe two years ago?.....I thought it was you. I remember it was picked up at a show for a VERY good price. That thing looked to be as genuinely authentic as could be.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Doug,
I remember as well. After he posted some pictures of it, I added that some of the much older adult hypoerythristics I owned were very similar in characteristics. They varied slightly in hues as adults but what I began observing is that some of my geriatric animals would slowly lose the "pumpkin" orange coloration and that fading overtime would give them an extremely light and pale, ghostly appearance. I will have to dig up some pics and send them to you when I get some time. They are beautiful examples.
Nathan

Nathan, one of the Hypo-E's I got from you is pink, MUCH lighter than my other 2 from other places, almost a Ghost coloration. I kinda remember that other snake...would love to see it again.

Scott
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
1.1 Aberrant Snow Hondurans
2.4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.3 Aberrant Tangerine Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
0.1 Hypo E Sinaloan
1.0 Het Hypo E & Amel Sinaloan
0.1 Amel het Hypo E and Splotched
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Splotched Sinaloan
1.2 Poss Het T pos Sinaloan
1.2 T pos Sinaloan

Very cool Scott! Many of my adults became pink over time and slowly got lighter and lighter with age, until a few ended up with that "ghost" look. Definitely keep an eye on that one....should end up amazing looking. Thanks for the report!
Nathan

I guess I should have read the rest of the posts. That explains my older females pinkish coloration then.
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Jimmy Tintle

Hi Nathan,.......I guess it could have been an old EXTREMELY hypo-E animal from your line. I remember it basically looked identical to any anery Hondo from what I can recall.

Very cool indeed!. Also, good to hear from you buddy!, hope all is well..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Nathan, could you send them my way too, or post a few. I would like to compare it to my older female. She has a pinkish hue to her, just hard to capture with the camera.
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Jimmy Tintle

Oh I see, post some pics of the ghost looking one would love to see it. I have a older female(15 plus) that is like a pinkish hue verses an orange. I tried to capture the difference in a photo, but came out to dark to post.
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Jimmy Tintle

Will do, my Male is only 4 years old and VERY light pink already and was when I got him from Nathan a year ago or so. I do have darker pink and light orange ones as well.
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
1.1 Aberrant Snow Hondurans
2.4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.3 Aberrant Tangerine Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
0.1 Hypo E Sinaloan
1.0 Het Hypo E & Amel Sinaloan
0.1 Amel het Hypo E and Splotched
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Splotched Sinaloan
1.2 Poss Het T pos Sinaloan
1.2 T pos Sinaloan

Thanks for the nice comment Scott, very happy that the animals are doing well for you. Good luck on your production and certainly keep us posted! Have a great weekend.
Nathan

I am sure we will see them around fairly soon. I had a small group of double het splotched/hypoerythristics along with a mixture of hets I sold off a few years ago that I would expect to be producing in the next year or two. Time will tell.
Good luck on your projects and have a wonderful weekend!
Nathan