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Baby zonatas/pyros

johnnic Aug 25, 2011 01:26 AM

Some of my babies that I produced this year. Not the best photographer like some of y'all. Pictured are my clutch of albino pyros from Ric Blair's adults, Katz line Juarez agalmas, and old Thompson/Zuchowski line of Laguna pulchras.

Replies (10)

rosspadilla Aug 25, 2011 01:37 AM

Those albinos are awesome
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Zach_MexMilk Aug 25, 2011 01:48 AM

Excellent clutches! All of them are screamers, especially those GORGEOUS agalma!
Got any pics of the parents of the pulchra and agalma?

pyromaniac Aug 25, 2011 09:10 AM


These agalmas are awesome! The pulchras are nice, too. Not a big fan of albino pyros, but you do have a nice healthy batch of babies there. Some pics of the parents of these clutches?
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
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joecop Aug 25, 2011 10:28 AM

Awesome. Love the agalmas. Their head patterns look identical, which in this case is a good thing.

Joe

POCooney Aug 25, 2011 07:36 PM

Pulchra are my absolute favorite Zonata!!!! They make me feel homesick!!!! I will always remember the first pulchra I caught more than 40 years ago!

Pat G-C

Spankenstyne Aug 25, 2011 10:28 PM

Very nice! I really wish more people up here in Canada were working with mountain Kings.

johnnic Aug 26, 2011 12:56 AM

Did the best I can. Pict of the female Juarez agalma who was not in a pict taking mood. Luckily female Laguna pulchra was sitting in her water bowl. I'm using a cheapy automatic dig camera and flash washes out the deep orange and reds in the animals. I'm very partial to the reds in the pulchras myself

zonatahunt Aug 26, 2011 10:03 AM

Very nice snakes you produced this year. Also, I didn't expect to see you on the forum! Do you happen to know the origin of the albino gene in pyros? Is it a legitimate gene, or is it the result of ruthveni crosses? Anyhow, that adult female agalma is a great looking snake, as are the babies (gotta love head patterns on agalma!).

Mitch

johnnic Aug 26, 2011 03:25 PM

hi mitch,

with all those e-mails i send out, you of all people should know i have prolly the most free time of anyone you know.
below is an excerpt from a previous post on the origins of the albino pyros. it was written by terry dunham. i only corrected a spelling mistake. may be some one will bother brian for a comment on this topic. i got mine's from ric blair and he swore they wore pure. actually he seemed kinda annoyed i even asked him i guess i shouldn't question a mountain king fanatic. what i can tell you is that some of those babies in that first clutch of mine has reduced yellow and are stunning. was using it for my albino applegate pyro project but the applegate side of the project ain't doing too well. rick can fill you in on that sad story.

Pulled from previous Terry Dunham post:

Brian Barczyk got the originals from a fella in an upper midwestern state who'd had the group that produced them for a long time. At the time there was a state game agent or similar sort of objective, outside-observer individual, who confirmed he'd known about the animals' existence before the albino ruthveni morph could have been crossed to pyros to produce the animals brian got. Additional evidence that influences me: Brian's a very smart guy, and he wouldn't have paid what he did to acquire the group, without thoroughly vetting it.

I believe the pyros are the real thing. Which makes it all the more offensive--my personal opinion here--when people breed them to other species. I've seen an animal for sale at expo as "het for albino pyro", for example, which, when i questioned the seller, was admittedly a hybrid. That owner changed the label when i suggested he do so, but how many others didn't? How many people bought animals thinking they were "as advertised" and got hybrids? It's buyer beware. It's never been more important you know the seller or ask a LOT of hard questions about the animals' origins.

GerardS Aug 26, 2011 03:49 PM

That's a cool story. It sucks that is the way it has to be but it's true. To many lazy breeders that mix everything up. Nice animals!
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