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If you breed a ghost to a snow shouldn't you get anery's het for albino and hypo? I have a clutch of 6 hatching right now. So far I have a ghost, anery and a normal! I will post pics after they hatch. Both parents were hatchlings raised by me and not bred to any other snakes. Is this possible? I can see maybe the snow male being het for hypo but that would only explain the ghost not the normal.

If you breed a ghost to a snow shouldn't you get anery's het for albino and hypo?

Correct, all should be Anery Het for Amel and Hypo.

I have a clutch of 6 hatching right now. So far I have a ghost, anery and a normal!

The Anery could be a very light one in comparison to the other clutch mate. It can sometimes be hard to tell.

I can see maybe the snow male being het for hypo but that would only explain the ghost not the normal.

Like you stated, if the Snow is Het Hypo, then yes you can produce a ghost. The cool thing about the ghost is it's Het Amel as well.

However, you shouldn't have any "normals"!

Ghost Het Amel,
Anery Het Hypo 66% Het Amel
and Hypo Het Snow shown:

I would love to see pics of the clutch and the parents (adult and neonate pics if you have them).

Who did you get the parents from?

-Rusty

Stu, first where did you get the snakes?
Second and not very many people know this part.There are two lines of anery in the hobby.The old line is from Doughrty and thats the line that Terry Dunham and about every other person on earth had.
But,,,,,,,, back in about 2004 when I was in Daytona John Lambert told me that he had imported from the Check Republic a different kind of anery.It was a true anery where as we all know the other line (I will call it line A) is actually nothing more than a hypouerthristic (sp?).

John used that animal and produced a bunch of hets and double hets etc.....Side by side they ared different but not day and night.I don't think he ever really told people what he had cause we all just played it off as no real big deal and we all figured it was compatible anyway so the story kinda died out.
oh yeah, and if that wasn't enough the (line B) was also het for the line A.LOL....could get real confusing huh?

Well, 2 years ago a friend of mine back east bred together a pair of snows.One he had got from me and one he had just bought off the table at one of the Tampa shows and he couldn't remember who had even sold it to him.It was probably john or Bruce Skipper or Mike Falcon as all these guys had some of that Euro stock.
Anyway, he bred them together and then sold off the adults.When the babies hatched he got only 2 snows and the rest where all albino.Of coarse all those albinos are double het for both types of anery as well.The 2 snows had to be type A snows and they would be het for type B anery as well.

I tried and tried to track down the adults to get them back as I would like to see what a pure type B anery looked like as well as Type B ghosts etc.....I wasn't able to get them back and he even dumped all the babies cause he was mad.

Long story short I would bet the farm that your snow is het for TypeB anery and thats why you are seeing a ghost.Like Rusty said hat ghost is 100% het amel so thats a keeper.
The normals would be 100% het for hypo and both types of anery.

L8r Shannon

I can see how that could be VERY possible Shannon.

You also bring up a subject that I normally choose to let be...but with Hondos:

Albinos are Amelanistic (Amels)

Anerythristics (Anerys) are really Hypoerythristic

Hypomelanistics (Hypos) are sometimes correct...but I could get lost talking about that subject, so I'll just pass!

However, I do like the term Hybino...Hymels just don't roll off the tongue as well!

Looking forward to pics of this clutch!

-R

Here's a great article:
http://vetherppath.hubpages.com/hub/Understanding-Reptile-Color-and-Correct-Color-Terminology
Link

I apologize for the poor quality pics of the neonates but you know how baby hondurans are! They just won't stay still long enough to get a decent shot.

Shannon-if what you say is true and what has happened here then shouldn't ALL the babies be het for amel as well and the non-ghosts het for hypo?

Man-that's confusing! I think I will have to keep them all just to see what they produce!

Thanks for your input.

1st pic-ghost mother with clutch
2nd pic-snow father
3rd pic-neonates

Your Snow (Amel and Anery Type 2) male is Het Hypo.

Your Ghost (Hypo and Anery Type 1) female is Het Anery Type 2.

Assuming the above is correct:

Ghosts (Hypo and Anery Type 2) Het Anery Type 1 and Het Amel

Anery (Type 2) Het Hypo and Het Amel and Hey Anery Type 1

Normals are Quad Hets (Hypo, Anery 1, Anery 2, and Amel).

Now...that is just one possibility.

Another could be:

Your Snow (Amel and Anery Type 1) male is Het Hypo.

Your Ghost (Hypo and Anery Type 2) female is Het Anery Type 1.

or

Your Snow (Amel and Anery Type 2) male is Het Hypo and Het Anery Type 1.

Your Ghost (Hypo and Anery Type 1) female is not het for anything.

Either way...your neonates are at least double het for both types of Anery genes.

You'd have to do some line breeding to determine which parent is carrying which Anery gene.

You should get two Ghosts(1.1) that are unrelated to your Hondos but are from the same clutch. Breed this pair to your adults (Snow Het Hypo male and Ghost female) and see what pops out.

That should tell you immediately which of your adults is the “uncommon” Anery.

One clutch will be all Anerys...the other clutch you should produce another "normal"...then you'll know.

Where did you get your adults by the way? The female Ghost looks VERY clean (especially for a female).

-Rusty