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Are male banana or coral glows really worth 60k? I am a boa guy with a small number of balls so I am still a little green when it comes to all of the ball morphs. Thanks for any feedback.

Marcus Williams

no..
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Vince Pramuk []__[]

think I saw them for $15G last year?...
if not...no more than 20

they are coming down....

maybe I can get some for my retirement present to myself.....

YYEEEEaaaaayyyyyLOL
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........JY

Banana males are 50-60k, females 12,500 depending on morph combo...
and yes they have been selling....

Why are males that much more than females? I read that they were hard to produce but are they that hard? For 50k you would think there were less than a handful of them in existence.

Marcus

males = breedable in 4-6 months if fed properly. averaging 100g a month for a good eater. My roommate had 1 6mo old pinstripe father about 7 clutches in one season. we will just say about 5 eggs per clutch. co dom trait we will give it the short end of the stick at 17 pins. change that to bananas and the market on them crashes instantly. Keep the males back and guess what. You will take about 2 years to breeed a female.

I remember a few years back you couldnt touch a mojo/lesser/cinnamon for less that 2k. look at em now.

Any morph is only worth what someone will pay for it. If people pay that price, then guess you can say it is worth it??

Give it a few years for prices to drop as quantity increases and those prices come down just like all morph prices do.
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Susan Sentman
SSNAKES Reptiles
susan@ssnakes.com

Males are not easy to reproduce.

Males bananas don't produce bananas, so that's the first thing.
You need adult female banana and there is really only a few of theses around and you need another morph male to produce males.

Then the males will mostly only produce female, no male. The males from theses clutch are not bananas. That's why price is high. MAy be not as high as you listed, at least for the normal males. ONly a few have proven to produce mores males banana.
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love this world, don't hate it.

WAY overpriced... Especially since the Toffee's look almost identical and cannot be distiguished from the bananas if put in a group.

And now that the Toffee has proven to be compatible with the regular albino gene, the banana project is due for a reality check.

Like someone else put it, these snakes are only worth as much as somoene is willing to pay, and if you can get a Toffee/Toffino for less than a Banana then that is where people will spend their money.

Especially since the Toffee's look almost identical and cannot be distiguished from the bananas if put in a group.

Hi Reid, I'm not sure how many bananas or toffees you have seen? They don't look alike, especially not as hatchlings. Bananas look amazing as hatchlings, toffees just look like nice albinos. I haven't seen any toffee hatchlings that look like this yet:

There's room in the hobby for both, I'm sure I'll be working the toffee gene into the collection at some point in the future.
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-Jeff
http://jefflumanreptiles.com

In talking to the breeders that deal with both, as juveniles/adults, they are practically indistinguishable. That is what I was referring to.

No, I haven’t personally seen a group of both together, but that is what I hear…

Isn’t it all about what they look like when they grow up?? That is what people end up with in the end. I cannot PERSONALLY speak to these animals but that is what I understand from talking to breeders.

So, no I really cannot say definitively, just trying to pass along the information that I heard (yes, a rumor…) and ofcourse spread some propaganda .

Well I have both and several of each at that. I'm hear to put to rest the idea they look alike? They look nothing alike at any point regardless of age. Hope this clears thing up for those that might have thought otherwise. Both are awesome and everyone should have a bit of each!

I have a feeling he is confusing Bananas for Candies.

Banana = Coral Glow
Toffee = Candy

or so the debate goes. Like Lesser/Butter.

And also the rumor is that males are seldom made, more females are produced.

not to mention toffees are recessive and actually a het toffee to a het albino HAS made toffees.

Closest to a banana is a coral glow, still not entirely the same animal.

I have actually heard from reliable sources that males arent that uncommon. I actually hear that exactly as I stated they are mostly holding them back to control the market on them.

be that as it is we can have everyone say bananas should be cheaper now because the males dont produce and if you have a male banana and a female desert you are basically f***** right?>

People are holding back males to control the market, and males are worthless? That seems a little counter intuitive. But hey, what do I know....

Jordan
CBU

someone said males dont produce bananas. I was saying it in jest. no need to be confused.

they are controlling the market in the fact 1 male banana can father multiple clutches per season making the price drop dramatically because the market gets overwhelmed with the snake. thats why.

yes but the facts are this:

banana males produce banana FEMALES. It is very hard to produce a MALE banana with a male banana. You get crappy odds, like one out of 17 or 27 or something of that sort by the statistical numbers so far? You can produce multiple banana males from a banana MOTHER.
So in essence, to get consistently more males, and be able to produce males in quantity, you have to have a pile of adult female bananas Now to produce female bananas, you can have either male or female bananas, but to breed an adult male banana to anything so far, you produce 90% females..Simple enough?

Or how they say

Also Candy balls and toffee balls look similar as BABIES, but as yearlings, adults, they look totally different from few pics I have seen and in person.

NERD has a female Spider Coral Glow for sale and he explains the genetics on the add.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=869578

they may look similar but genetics wise are completely different being that candy and toffee are recessive.