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I was reading someone's classified ad and it said that their animals came from "the originator of Doug Beards line Kevin Maxwell". Doug produced hypos three seasons before he got any from Kevin so what does that mean? Does that mean the other line that Doug got from him later on?
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Gerard
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This should prove very interesting, because you know Doug Beard personally better than anybody here as a matter of fact. Hell, you practically lived at his place for many years.

~Doug
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I didn't live with him but I live like 3 minutes from him. This confused me because I know exactly where he caught the original animals that started his line. Then later he bought some from Kevins live too. He defanitly had his own line first. That's why I thought maybe they were talking about the other line or that he was misinformed.
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Gerard
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I discussed the history founding stock with Doug sevral times as well as Kevin Maxwell.

Question i have is- what year did Doug produce his firt hypo brooks?...89?, '90?, '91?, '92 ?
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www.Bluerosy.com

The loves produced their first hypo brooks in 94. From what I understand Kenin maxwell produced the first hypos ever seen in 1992 (witnessed by Craig Trumbower and Lee Abbott). Then he sold his offsring to Doag beard in 1994. The same year everyone found out about them and the same year the loves produced them.

kevin maxwell also purchsed the then "unkown" hets in 1990 from the Loves which produced the first hypos in 1992. So the credit for the originating stock all traces back to the Loves which had unkown hets. But the Loves did not produce any until 1994.
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www.Bluerosy.com

I heard plenty about your discussions with Doug. I couldn't stop laughing when I heard that story. What I said was that Doug produced his own line of hypos before he got any from Kevin. I never said anything about him being the first one to produce hypos. Doug caught animals that produced hypos. Then later he got animals from Kevin. It's funny that on your site you say the same thing. That Doug and the Loves have there own lines.
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Gerard
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Oh and i have no idea what you meant by my discussion with Doug Beard. I spoke to him in 1994 and 1995 and then once over the phone in 2008 and again in 2009 about his story on the founding stock.
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Doug got his hypos from me-kevin maxwell

Since I am the person with the ad, thanks Gerard, I'd like to say that I have seen the pictures of the very first hypos, directly from Kevin Maxwell. Kevin, If you are okay with it, I will post them up here.
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Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.
www.captiveborninvestments.net
Jeremy@captiveborninvestments.net
941-323-4850

Yes it was your ad. What I was asking was, are they from the line of hypos that Doug produced or the ones that he got from Kevin after he produced his? I never said that he produced first or third. Just curious what you meant by your description. Doug did produce hypos from animals he caught I got to see them as well when I was younger.
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Gerard
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GONE FISHING!!!

Good job man. See what you started. What were you thinking posting an ad like that?

Actually, I dont have a single problem with him or the ad. I was curious why it was labeled a certain way. No one had the answer and I stopped. Doug had his own line he hatched and the ones he got from Kevin.
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Gerard
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I know man. I was just trying to get in on the action cuz I had some down-time and was bored at work and felt like arguing.

hahahha!!! J/k. I was actually saying that to tease Jeremy.

That's cool man.
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Gerard
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There you have it Gerard.. i emailed Kevin and you can ask any questions directly from him. I just gathered the information from both parties and relaid that info.

gerard, since you are a friend of doug beards why don't you ask him the first year he produced hypos? I aksed you that on my first post. Still waiting to hear the answer.
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k-max WOW talk about bringing the forum UP... thats a breath of much needed fresh air so to speak. thanks for popping in and clearing the air with FACTS.
,,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Obviously there is some inside humor going on here. I was following the story line and trying to get some info on the origin of hypo brooks. Do you guys know some more info on that subject or not?
Jeff
www.4lakessnakes

>>Obviously there is some inside humor going on here. I was following the story line and trying to get some info on the origin of hypo brooks. Do you guys know some more info on that subject or not?

probably not in this thread.

you might do well to email some of the folks ( kevin maxwell, bill and kathy love, doug beard) and ask them yourself what the history of their animals were. might be much more informative and such, hahaha

best of luck
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I would like to hear more info on the history too but they ALL seem to prefer arguing these days.
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Randy Whittington

they originated from the loves line anyway, regardless of who produced them first. Unless Doug Beard's line from wc caught animals is different? The Peanut Buters also came from the love line. But some one else produced them first.
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I didn't know that. Who made thePB's first?
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Gerard
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A guy named Tom Mills out of California produced the very first known PB's. This was discussed here in detail back in June.

Hope it doesn't get re-hashed here all over again..LOL!, but here is the precise origin of them, and is a post I made after talking directly to Steve Strasser on the phone about them. This was a post I made to Jorge after he wanted to know the true origin as well.

earlier post on June 18th

I talked directly to my long-time friend Steve Strasser today, and he told me the precise history on the peanut butters. In short, Steve's friend, Tom Mills of California told Steve that while he was down that way visiting Steve in Florida, he wanted to go to Glades Herp to check things out. So they went there and picked out a couple of brooksi they had. Tom took them home and later inadvertently produced the very FIRST peanut butters that descended from these normal wild-caught snakes that originated from Miami/Dade county that Glades had. Tom accidentally produced two odd looking snakes (peanut butters), one of which died, then the following year produced another two, and one of THOSE also died as well. So it just so happened that this left one sexual pair.

After these odd looking snakes were produced by Tom, Steve tried to keep this "hush-hush" and got back with Bill Love(then of Glades Herp), and tried to locate more original animals with these same code numbers that the one's Tom originally bought from them, but this didn't pan out, so Steve let the "cat out of the bag" so to speak and told Bill About these odd snakes that Tom produced. Bill thought that from the code numbers Steve told him, these were likely the hypos he just recently produced, but they were not because the "xx" prefix meant those also were wild-caught animals of unknown ages. Soon afterwards, Tom later gave all of this group back to his friend Steve Strasser, and Steve produced some more along with hets in the following years, which is where Rainer got his from.
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