oh jeez terry really??? ok lets break it down...
>>>Those are really distinctive animals.
>yes they are, thanks.
>>>I hadn't realized they're the product of crosses with black rats, which this thread seems to argue. If that's the case, I find it disappointing that people (admittedly only a handful here) have so little regard for wild-type animals. There's something amazing, to me, about a florida king, or a black rat. To see it, even if it's captive bred, and realize that there are animals very much like them living in the wild, where i have seen and might see them again, creates a little thrill. There's no such similar excitement to come from seeing a lab creation.
>my how eloquent terry its funny to hear you talk about being dissapointed in regards to "wild type" animals when you bred hobby hondurans,amel chainkings its just funny to me and strongly smells of hypocracy but i digress...
even if its captive bred huh? well the fact remains when we(people) decide whats bred its NOT pure true anything as nature didnt produce it man did. so ALL cbb are "lab creations" surely you understand that.
>>>The argument is made in this thread that these mongrels--and i like the term, with its connotations--are not locality-specific so are equivalent to any other non-locality specific specimen (say, the offspring of a king snake from upper pinellas county, fla, and a king from 25 miles south in the same county). That's absurd.
>im glad you like the name
i felt it VERY fitting absurd huh uhhh getula IS getula IS getula.
>>>I'm writing this from Kentucky, and trust me, there're a great many more similarities between people from two adjacent (but different, so thus not locality-specific) hollows in the mountains in Eastern Kentucky, than there are similarities between one of those people and someone from utah, or someone from san francisco with a chinese parent and a black african parent. The arguments here that ignore degree of differences are absurd.
>no terry whats absurd is the nazi viewpoint that people are THAT differant or that getula are that differant or even comparing the 2 its VERY KKK... very small indeed.
>>>And as for morphs: you can have a florida king snake with several different recessive color morphs. Breed it to a "normal"--an animal free of those three morphs, and cross its normal-looking offspring to a normal only one more time, and you're producing some babies that are totally free of those traits--you need only to test breed to homozygous phenotypes to find which of those 3rd gen babies are NOT het.
But you can never "breed out" the hundreds (thousands?) of black rat genes from a mongrel. IMHO, that's animal cruelty, and to do it knowingly shows a deplorable attitude to our wild species and ssp
thats BS ive bred a king to a corn and then backcrossed and after 2 generations "it" is gone, absorbed. what do you think happens with wild hybrids?
animal cruelty?wtf? yeah i suppose keeping ANY inherit wild animal in captivity could be viewed as "animal cruelty" why dontcha just give the animal rights whackos MORE fuel for their fire.
a deplorable attitude is saying a person from africa breeding someone from kentucky is a hybrid THATS DEPLORABLE.
as to the history of the ws fla.king that is the grandfather to my group it is/was from tim ricks which he stated popped out of his axanthic line. sure there are LOTS of accusations that he created them from the ws black rat but who knows what he and chris did in their "lab" personally i could care less what i have are "pretty snakes" and i feel confident enough to call them trueblue pure getula kingsnakes AKA Mongrels.
,,,,,,,thomas davis
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