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I am being serious here...
At what shade of orange do we start calling albinos red???
I see posts that say "red albino" but they all look orange to me... Smoking orange, but never red...

I would like to see this answered myself. I also see alot of hog's that look orange to me that are being sold for red's.

I'm not even a hog person and I see what you mean. I also see alot of normals(brown) called reds!
Jeff

I'm no expert but we do have to consider all the possibilities of colors in between orange and red. some albino hogs are yellow- orange. Most seem to be orange. Very few go beyond that.
We will probably see few that match the scarlet red that the Lampropeltis display.
I will post one of mine that I consider red. He is by far the reddest one I have ever owned. Someone else may have a darker one or think that he is just dark orange. Wendell Spisak had a great idea a few years back. He took pics of his snakes next to universal color paints. This way the buyer could determine the degree of color compared to something universally colored.
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Kevin Rhodes

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Thank you,
Kevin Rhodes

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Hi Gregg,

You bring up a very valid point, many of us have been using the "Red" label very loosely, most not even realizing it.

I am guilty of using "red" to describe the decendents from a lineage instead of using the term as a color description of an individual animal.

Another issue I have difficulty with is, these little guys don't show their true red colors in photos....only to the naked eye.

Rich Macias

Hey Rich,
I bring this up because way back when I started to keep and breed hogs (like 2 years ago. LOL...) I was a bit confused... I would see red albinos for sale and the animals were always orange... I have to say, the one Kevin just posted is pretty damn close though... And I always look at your classifieds Rich and yours are close too... Amongst the nicest I have seen...

Now, some of the non-albino reds actually do look red like the ones I got from Brad Chambers...

Do you think we will ever see a really red albino??? I hope so...

Gregg,

Red seems to be a hard color to "fix" in hognose-I've been working on my red line for over a decade, and it's only in the last couple of seasons that I've been getting a large proportion of each clutch come out "red" rather than "orange" or "maroon" LOL....
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Brad Chambers
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Boas, Pythons, Colubrids, Tortoises and Turtles

Google the following: "Munsell Color Charts", and you'll see all the possiblities between yellow - orange - red. Match it to your hog and there's your answer. Otherwise it's back to the status quo.

Mike