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This will shut down the naysayers who have put out bad press that the Bailey abberant line isn't what it seems. Grandparents are a male fully striped Bailey abberant bred to a nice tangerine amel female. I raised up a group of hets from that breeding and this little beauty popped out from them. Looks like the genetics are a bit stronger that some people think.

Man, Thats sweet too man.
I do have to say that many years ago I purchased 2.2 "hets" direct from Marc and I raised them up bred them three years in a row and even swaped males and out of about 50 babies total there wasn't one single abberant produced???
So, Maybe some are and some aren't? or what do you think?Not like I had spent thousands on them or anything but it was kinda a bummer.

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Shannon

It's hard to say Shannon, but what I can tell you is that it's not a simple recessive but a complex recessive lol. I think it all boiles down to what was used to make the " hets". I don't think Marc bred abberant to abberant to make the " hets" you got from him. If I remember right he bred an abberant to a normal that occasionally throws out abberants. The key is to have some degree of aberrancy showing to ensure the progeny will get the gene. I have a bunch of nice amels gene carriers that I will breed together as well as breed back to abberants to hopefully produce abberant het amels as well as abberant amels. Having this little booger pop out has definitely brought a new light on the whole project.

The striped gene in ruthveni also. As far as I know from information gathered. You can breed a stripe to a stripe and produce everything from normals to aberrants to partial stripes to super stripes. (which I proved to be true this yr) As far as I know no one has successfully bred and produced offspring from 2 supers stripes.

My question is if line bred ( strongest aberrants bred to strongest aberrants)whether the gene will eventually become dominate when bred to normal. Can the gene be selectively bred to eventually become a simple recessive?

Maybe some one can answer about the Coffey line aberrants in GBK's? Was that aberrant gene simple recessive from the beginning?
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Jimmy Tintle

"Can the gene be selectively bred to eventually become a simple recessive?"

Well, on a good portion of the other points there aren't really any absolute hard answers to, but a recessive gene is only a recessive gene from the very beginning, or it isn't at all. It can't gradually be line-bred to ever become a true recessive trait per se. However things CAN sometimes be line-bred for a more dominant presence pertaining to it's ability to be displayed much more often. This can have MANY facets to it that aren't very well understood though.

There could also be some ACTUAL heterozygous animals mixed in with some of the other's that JUST SO HAPPEN to also be aberrant. This would easily give false breeding conclusions too if the "wrong" one's were chosen to breed together. Hard to say until much more is proven with them I guess.

They sure are awesome looking, that much I CAN say for certain..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I have to agree with Shannon on this one. I like Marc and this is not meant to be bad press, but I never had any luck with his aberrant line. I'm glad you produced some because I always thought they were pretty cool.
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Thanks!

Joe Exposito
Thoroughbred Exotics, LLC
www.thoroughbredexotics.com

Same here, unfortunately...have had GREAT success with Norm Damm line and Guy Clark "Crazy" line...but my Bailey hets have yielded nada.
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Scott MacLeod
2.6 Snow Hondurans
1.1 Aberrant Snow Hondurans
2.4 Aberrant Hondurans
1.3 Aberrant Tangerine Hondurans
1.2 Aberrant Hypo Hondurans
0.1 Aberrant Hybino Honduran
1.3 Extreme Hypo VP
1.1 Tricolor Hypo VP
1.3 Hypo E Sinaloan
1.0 Het Hypo E & Amel Sinaloan
0.1 Amel het Hypo E and Splotched
1.1 Albino Striped Sinaloan
2.7 Striped Splotched Sinaloan
1.2 Poss Het T pos Sinaloan
2.2 T pos Sinaloan

Cool looking hondo. The thing is that the occaisonal abberant patterned hondo pops out of regular banded hondos also. I tend to get one or two weird patterned hondos each year from regular banded ones. The occaisonal abberant hatchling is far different than something being a true recessive trait.
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Randy Whittington

I hadn't seen your post below before making mine here. I didn't realize your whole clutch was abberant. I thought you were just saying the one abberant one poped out. That's very interesting!
The whole clutch is amazing looking, that's fa sho!
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Randy Whittington

John Lambert produced a few aberrant Hondurans from the animals he purchased from Marc, so at least as a line bred trait they can be produced obviously. I obtained an adult pair from John and they produced clutches, but never anything aberrant.

Randy, the one in the pic is a solo one that poped out of a het amel to het amel breeding. The grandparents are a Bailey abberant male bred to an exceptional tang amel female. The het parents are very normal looking tangerines. I'm sorry if you misunderstood the het reference. The Bailey abberant line isn't recessive nor am I advocating that they are but this breeding proves it's inheritable.

This is far different than an occasional abberant popping out. These have been line bred to enhance the aberrancy.

Bailey line....

I have no knolege of this...I don;t follow it all...

BUT ...the color reminds me of the striped Hondos I hatched long ago......wow...bright ...good orange...NO tipping....like the ones I had....well...I had sweet hondos...that threw striped babies....that were sold to Mark and Kim Bell...who sat them on a shelf and fed them for like 4 years and forgot to breed them for awhile...really....

and it all came from Norm Damm line screaming hondos....

>>> are Bailey's from Damm's?....

..Thanxx....I have no idea ...for real....
(don't even know who Bailey is /are?...)
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........JY

The pic I posted is actually a snake we got from Norm, Marc produced several real nice aberrant snakes, as well. He works primarily with balk pythons now. I'm not sure if Marc's stock came from Norm. I didn't have any luck with either line, but Marc and Norm each had adults that consistenly produced aberrant stuff.

The Bailey line came from the Love's tangerine dream line and isn't related to the Norm Dam line at all.

Out of Minnesota and has been breeding some smoking Hondurans for quite a while. He is pretty well-known in Hondo circles. I have one of his nice ghosts that was about the nicest ghost hatchling in the entire Daytona Expo back in 2007.

He has had this aberrant line for a good while now too. They sure are nice!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Really nice!!! Beautiful!!!! Congrats!

I commend you on working with that line, it all to often falls to the way side when it is found that the gene is not a simple recessive. Just like the striped/aberrant gene in L.ruthveni. Hopefully by test breeding we can better understand the way these genes work.
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Jimmy Tintle

Nice and bright, Wayne! Cool animal.
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