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About the Desert x Desert.

I come her every night to see if anything has happened regarding this pairing and everyone is so hush hush about it because they are afraid of ruffling some peoples feathers.

If I remember correctly, the desert x desert clutch is probably 85 days old.I guess they didn't make it.

Is there any new news out there?

Just curious.

Scott

I don't own a Desert. So I can faithfully say: The point is moot. Would the in-viability of Desert females change my desire to own a female of that morph at whatever price a breeder asks? Nope. I just don't have the money for even a kinked, ugly one right now, which is why I don't own one
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25 year old 0.1 from Lincoln, NE
Ball Pythons - 0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.0 Woma (hidden gene?), 0.1 Yellowbelly, 2.1 Normals
Kingsnakes - 1.0 L. m. thayeri, 0.1 L. m. thayeri X L. alterna, 1.0 L. g. californiae
Other - 0.1 Whitesided P. catenifer sayi, 1.0 H. nascicus, ?.? Chrysemys picta, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

Sorry about the multiple posts.
Have no idea how that happened.

Scott

you would not pay anything for one(unless you are crazy and never realized the folly of it)......let's say JUST a female to own...just to have one...they are only beautiful as babies...they grow to normal almost ?...well...cool...but not like babies...their total value comes with the fact that they make really really cool stuff when crossed and mixed into other colors....that makes them worth alot ...

as for me...I do not own one...

and will not buy a female for sure....

....their are hundreds of snakes to buy...why risk a dud...

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........JY

Cause there is nothing to show may be ? No Super, etc.. .etc...
I am pretty sure it's a dominant morph, no super form here.

Cause they are too busy doing other wise. You can also send emails or call.

cya !
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love this world, don't hate it.

I don't think anyone is afraid to talk about the pairing. I would say that female deserts don't reproduce well and that should be common knowledge by now. I'm sure we will see some viable clutches from them here and there but as a rule...not stellar baby factories. I would still buy a nice female though!
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Matt Lerer
Ghi Reptiles

DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE FEMALES...HAS ANYBODY SEEN THE COMBOS HELLLOOO THERE FRIGIN AWSOME. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN DESERTS ARE 500 ON TABLES, WE ALL WOULD BUY FEMALES ALL DAY LONG WITH THE CHANCE OF JUST ONE OR TWO GOING.

BANANA'S WENT THROUGH THE SAME THING WITH PEOPLE HAVING FEARS OF NEVER PRODICING A MALE, THOUGHT THE PRICE WOULD NOSE DIVE...WELL THAT DIDNT HAPPEN....

AT THE END OF THE DAY, CANT WE JUST BE HAPPY TO PRODUCE BEAUTIFUL ANIMALS AND NOT WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT WERE GONNA SELL THEM FOR.....

I PERSONALLY HAVE SPENT AND LOST MORE THAN I WANNA ADMIT, BUT WITH THINGS LIKE THE DESERTS, FEMALE PRODUCERS OR NOT, IM SO EXCITED TO BE BACK INTO BALL PYTHONS AND CANT WAIT TO SEE MY TIGER MALE PRODUCING THIS AWSOME GENE FOR YEARS TO COME

I personally do not have any deserts, but I think the whole point is that some people have paid top dollar for females looking for a return on their investment.

If females turn out not to reproduce at all, people are stuck with a "nice looking 2-3k pet".

Like I said, I'm not invested in this project, but I can see why people are frustrated/anxious to find out what is going on.

If I spent 3k on a snake, I would be pretty damn anxious to know if I was ever going to see a return on that kind of investment.

That being said, I would stil buy a male (worth every penny)!

I think the issue would be that there is a big difference in paying for a female/male Banana that will produce more Bananas, compared to spending the money for a Desert female that could possibly never produce a Desert.

I know that I will never pay 2k or even 1k for a Desert female. Male? yes.

...bananas....made babies...just no males....

...desert female have not been proven to make babies...even half the time..

you said."""HelOOOOO look at all the...blah blah blah""..

actually...look at nothing ...there has not been a desert female's products' shown ...so there is nothing to look at...
all the stuff you see is from males...

tadaaaa......

..need change???
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........JY

I have a project idea if anyone wants to let me borrow a male Desert.
Might fix the size/reproductive issues with the females.
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Quite frankly I just get tired of all this hush hush don't tell anyone what is going on when a morph turns out to be less then perfect. I know that people have to make a buck but it makes the breeders look kind of shady. Being honest from the get go is the best course of action so as not to cause such an uproar years later. I know that there is more then just a few morphs with problems, but frankly it should not matter. Take a look at spiders sure they are flawed, but people are informed about it. Yeah you may lose sales from the get go if the flaw is talked about, but if someone wants to truly work with the gene then it wont matter to them if its flawed. Another good example is enigma leopard geckos. Those suckers are FUBAR from the get go, but people still worked with them because of the truly amazing colors they produced.

This is a crazy issue. There is always a question, When? Where? Who? has a female Desert that reproduced. Read it a million times. I've read that somebody has a friend that had a female reproduce, not saying I don't believe it but, wouldn't you think they would have a ton of pics because of all the controversy surrounding this issue. That being said, there should be plenty of people with females more than breeding size reproducing, yet we have'nt seen any. This issue should be addressed for sure by people in the know. Why? because people have posted breeding pics, big females ready to breed, females still demand a good bit of coin, etc. Whether the results are positive or negative someone should come forward. If female Deserts are inviable then they are worthless, unless for a pretty pet. I would not spend good money on a female because of how "cool" she looked. Sorry for those who are invested in this project. Or for a male; knowing they can produce females. Especially with the multitude of other morphs that one can buy and reproduce viable offspring with. We should all stop hoping for a magical female, maybe 1 in 100, and accept the fact that they are duds. When/If one does reproduce, I'm sure everyone with a female will be like "I told you so", but, one female isn't total proof. I will start to believe though. As a disclaimer I'm not part of the Desert project as of now nor do I have any plans to be. These are just my thoughts and are not meant to offend anyone. Sorry for the long post.

I agree to a point and disagree some as well. I remember in 2004 seeing the first desert crosses on display and was in shock. Now 7 years later after that entire collection was bought out and we still have no actual evidence of reproducing females. All this speculation has got to be hurting business for those who are heavy into this project and still no evidence that females can lay viable clutches. This does make me very wary of buying into this project as I like to build my collection up by holding back select females and males but this may not be a possibility with this morph. I also have a fear that I would be using valuable morph females (which are limited in my collection) and only be producing clutches that are in reality 25% marketable (50% are deserts and only 1/2 of those are males). I do see however that females still have a niche in the ball python market, the pet side of it. People pay large amounts of money on dogs, cats, birds, fish, horses and others with no intention of ever breeding so why can't this happen with reptiles? Should a female be anywhere close to the male's price if there is no breeder value in the animal? Well that is up to the person selling and buying in my opinion.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

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Nobody is afraid of talking about Deserts, that's silly. Just because you don't see anything in 8 inches of KS posts, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist : )

A Desert female just laid a clutch in Europe. We have been sending plenty of animals over there the last two years. I am waiting anxiously to see pics and get more info, I don't even know if it is Desert x Desert...

As for the clutch posted here, what was the breeder's name? Yeah, I don't remember either. I do remember that he got a really rude welcome and was basically run off. So I am not surprised he hasn't posted an update. But if I don't know him, and you don't know him, what exactly are we supposed to do about that?

And as for discussion and chatter, there is plenty of it online. The world is bigger than you think. The KS forum has not been the main source of the chatter, so look around more, there are plenty of folks talking about it, plenty of info being posted.

At PE, we are still in breeding mode, with Desert females copping and progressing follicle wise, but very slowly. Can't rush that either. When we have an update, I will certainly post it. We just hatched a new Desert combo, I am about to post that.

But for wannabe drama about folks being "afraid" to post info, LOL, my fingers hurt from typing out so much Desert info over the last two weeks.
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robyn@proexotics.com

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A lot has been written (200 posts on BLBC, 100 here etc...) about desert females...

What about females that are desert combos? There have to be some desert spiders, desert enchis (tigers), desert anythings that are getting to breeder size. Anyone know if they have reproduced?

I talked to someone at the Anahiem show today, who had a wicked looking Enchi male on his table, and said it came from a Desert female bred by a Desert Enchi male. Only two eggs hatched, no Deserts supposedly. I was also told that the same person has hatched out around 8 Desert clutches, from Desert females, and has hatched only 4 eggs from 8 clutches.