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See what that Pied gene does? Opinions?

Brandon Osborne Sep 03, 2011 12:45 PM

I'm not quite sure if these are Pewters or Sterlings. They are from Pewter het Pied X Pastel het Pied and they are super light compared to other Pewters and Pewter het Pieds we've produced before. This would make about 7 or 8 Pewter het Pied clutches for us in the last 4 years...given these are only 66% pos. het and it's pretty obvious the numbers are right with this clutch. Any opinions on whether these are sterlings or pewters?






closeup of the super ringer...

I would put money on the cinny being the non het and the other two being the 100% hets....even though they can't be labeled as such. Let me know what you think.

Thanks for looking.
Brandon Osborne
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Replies (9)

BAM_Reptiles Sep 03, 2011 01:49 PM

i would lean towards sterlings, buuut you cant be 100% for sure til you breed it out. i would be more than happy to help you figure it out very nice looking either way, i really liked that water/snow camo looking one you guys produced last year
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bartleyreptiles Sep 03, 2011 02:24 PM

I'm going to go with Sterlings. With four pewter 100% het pieds in the mix, I think we are both pretty familiar with what they look like. Both of these guys strongly resemble one of the Super Pewter 50% het pieds (strong faded sides with stripe) we produced last year that we are very confident will prove out het pied. I will throw a picture up tonight of that guy for comparison unless you have one ready Brandon. I think posting a pic of one of the pewter 100% het pieds, one of these "sterlings", and one of the super pewter 50% het pied next to one another will strongly support our theory. What an awesome project!

Clint

JYohe Sep 04, 2011 10:49 AM

we can't tell either...they are sweet no matter what they are...

you got some screaming critters from those morphs/ clutches over the last couple years....

congrats....!!

and like mentioned..that urban camo one from last year ,is the baddest one of all...!

....good luck...
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Brandon Osborne Sep 04, 2011 02:51 PM

Thanks guys. I was beginning to wonder if people just didn't like me.lol....and maybe they don't. So far all of the opinions are that of Sterling. Not one vote for Pewter yet.

As for the "camo" guy, we did put him back to his mother late last season, but she was also bred by several other males. Eggs are due in about a month. This coming season he is going to be the only one getting busy with her.

With the addition of the Enchi pos. het Pied male we have, it should make for even better results in the future of this project. The Pewter Pied female is pushing 1200 grams and she just turned a year old about two weeks ago...crossing fingers the Enchi boy is ready this season.

Thanks again.
Brandon
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brhaco Sep 05, 2011 09:17 AM

Those are Sterlings, hand's down, Brandon. I've produced a ton of both, and never had a Pewter anywhere close to that washed-out and reduced pattern.
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Brandon Osborne Sep 05, 2011 09:33 AM

Thanks Brad. I've hatched a ton of pewters but never sterlings. These guys are super hot. I was under the impression the black around the neck would be more washed out in sterlings. That was my only concern. I guess it's like any other morph....varying degrees of color.

Thanks again.
Brandon
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brhaco Sep 05, 2011 09:53 AM

You're correct-Sterlings are quite variable-but that pale coloration and reduced Pewter-type pattern in combination is a sure sign. Silver Bullets are SO much easier to spot
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Brandon Osborne Sep 05, 2011 09:55 AM

Funny thing is I've produced silver bullets and super pewters. Even those are easy to tell apart. I just didn't want to call them sterlings and not be 100% certain.
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Holloway Sep 05, 2011 08:34 PM

??? Awesome looking ether way Brandon. Very nice

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