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Some V. Prasinus observations

CMcKinna Sep 03, 2011 08:25 PM

Anybody who has ever read a description of a V. prasinus has read that it has a prehensile tail.

Yet, all the times I've worked with them, I've never really seen them do anything with it.

In fact, if you do a Google search for V. prasinus and look at the images, not once do you see it using it's tail for its supposedly intended purpose, even when the animals are perched in a way where wrapping the tail around a branch would be beneficial.

So what the hell are they for? I think I now know!

I've never seen a GTM (or any other monitor for that matter) in the wild, so I really have to try and make some deductions based on previous experience, experience of others, and intuition.

So when I was experimenting with ways to set up the temporary enclosure for my cbch prasinus, it made sense to me that while Retes boards are a great way to create tight spaces for the little ones to use, that they might be more comfortable in tree hollows. I couldn't find a good tree hollow, so I had to use PVC.

I know I'm not the first person to stick PVC in a lizard cage and call it a hide spot, but I really tried to put some thought into it.I figure that any fake tree hollow would have to be fairly tight to provide them with a sense of security. I also figured they would not be open on both ends, but would have one or two opening and dead end somewhere.

I tried a number of different shapes and set ups and let them choose what they liked. What both animals ended up choosing is an 'L' shaped tube with one end pushed in the substrate and the other end open.

What I found really interesting is how they use them. I've seen them crawl in normally and back into the tubes. If they crawl in normally they will turn themselves around at the bend, and then back down to the bottom of the tube.

And thats where the tails come in. They use they're tails to support themselves against the walls of the tubes and to push themselves up and down. This is of one of them holding themselves in the tube with it's tail (sorry for the bad pic). I can hold the tube completely vertical and they won't fall out.

After seeing this behavior, I added another 'L' shaped tube, and both of them now use them as homes. They still use the Retes boards during the day when out and about, but when they go to sleep, they use the tubes.

Just thought I would share. = )

Replies (12)

MikesMonitors Sep 05, 2011 12:41 AM

Hi Creeps
Here is a photo of one of my male Beccari.
I would have to say I have seen this type of tail use in Prasinus, Beccari and Macraei.

Apperantly they have many uses for their prehensile tail.
By the way those lil guys are awesome good luck with them.
Mike

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CMcKinna Sep 05, 2011 08:56 AM

Thanks for the pic Mike!

Very cool to see. Was he hunting?

MikesMonitors Sep 05, 2011 09:14 AM

Creeps
No he wasn't hunting, just hanging around. LOL!

Perhaps you could find some sheet bark from a dead tree and roll some up into your own tubes.
In this photo you can see one of my homemade bark tubes.
That was one of my first, they look MUCH better now that I have a system.
What State are you in now a days?
If you like I can send you a few tubes of different sizes.

Mike

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CMcKinna Sep 05, 2011 10:06 AM

I'm in San Diego, Mike.

If you just tell me where you get your bark and send me some pics I'm sure I can figure it out (and save you the hassle of shipping).

Can you make long tubes?

Sure is prettier than PVC!

MikesMonitors Sep 05, 2011 10:29 AM

CMckenna wrote,
"I'm in San Diego, Mike.

If you just tell me where you get your bark and send me some pics I'm sure I can figure it out (and save you the hassle of shipping).

Can you make long tubes?

Sure is prettier than PVC!"

Creeps
I can't really comment on Cali as I know nothing about the tree types in your neck of the woods.
Around here (I live in the woods) Me and the kids take hikes and look for all types of natural decor.
It is easy for us to find sheet bark as large as 6' by 6'.
Sometimes we get lucky and find bark coming off of very small branches, like what your looking for.
Simply glue (brown silicone) the seam together and you have a free bark tube.

You can take the larger sheet bark and roll it up brown silicon it and wire it till dry.
You can make them as long or wide as your imagination will let you.

On a side note you can always brown silicone the entire PVC tube and press coco coir on to it for a more natural look.
I'm sure you already know of this method.
If you can't find anything just let me know.
Shipping to you won't be a problem!
Er a I owe you a lunch anyway

Mike
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basinboa Sep 05, 2011 06:56 PM

Very cool thread, nice pics!

Here's my contribution:

I don't think the tubes have to be that thin, because you can stuff them with moss and the monitor will make it's own tunnel there. My nestbox has a whole tunnel system.

CMcKinna Sep 05, 2011 07:39 PM

Thats pretty frickin cool!

I certainly stand corrected about the tails!

jdmjames Sep 05, 2011 10:37 PM

awesome pics everyone. I wish I knew of somewhere to get stuff for my monitors enclosure, I have the everglades but I wouldn't know where to look lol. I have tried and found nothing but water mud and saw grass. oh and your occasional alligator but I like to keep away from them :P

MikesMonitors Sep 06, 2011 07:59 AM

James
I lived on Meritt Island and the first time I rented a pontoon boat, we went on the Banana River.
We rounded a bend and there it was like a DREAM!
All types and sizes of drift wood as far as the eye can see!

Mike
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jdmjames Sep 06, 2011 10:23 AM

nice, if I ever make a trip up there I might give it a shot. should be a fun adventure.

MikesMonitors Sep 06, 2011 08:07 AM

n/p
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FR Sep 05, 2011 07:52 PM

Hi Colin, long time no see. I have been very busy lately.

sweet monitors you have there.

About that tail use. Most every species I know of uses the tail as a fifth arm to move around in burrows, crevices and hollows. So there, prasinus are very normal.

They and other varanids also use the tail as a springboard when jumping.

The prehinsle tail label is applied because they will use their tail, mostly the end, to hold on to branches etc. But so do other climbers like tristis and kimberlys. Even ackies do in their own clumsy way. Its just a matter of extent.

Good luck with them I know you will see lots of success.

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