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Does anyone think this may be a Hypo-E Thayeri?

This male had NOTHING in common with its siblings......And was thought to be the first and only Anery Thayeri.......I DO NOT think it is anery but it may be Hypo-E.....

BTW...breeding trials have commenced......I have a female offspring from him that hatched last year that will be bred to him in 2013.......

Here is a Hatchling Picture:

Parent Pics:
DAM:

SIRE:

Sibling Pics:

I bred him to a MSP last year so that eventually a Hypo-E MSP would hatch. No questions asked if a MSP is pink since the only thing a MSP has that is consistent is the RED. That way there would be no one saying that he is merely a washed out leonis......he may be just that, but it IS worth a shot, huh?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

John,.....Yeah, I totally agree with you that there is absolutely no way it is an anerythristic, because it clearly displays very visible red pigment. But as to it being a possible hypo-E animal, and not simply a bit lighter variation of normal phenotype is impossible to really say I think at the moment. You are definitely on the right track to possibly finding out though by future test breedings as you will be doing.

Good luck with it, and I hope you do prove it to be a hypo-E mutation!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>John,.....Yeah, I totally agree with you that there is absolutely no way it is an anerythristic, because it clearly displays very visible red pigment. But as to it being a possible hypo-E animal, and not simply a bit lighter variation of normal phenotype is impossible to really say I think at the moment. You are definitely on the right track to possibly finding out though by future test breedings as you will be doing.
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>>Good luck with it, and I hope you do prove it to be a hypo-E mutation!

We'll see....I hope some MSPs hatch out...then there will be no one saying it is just a lighter variation of normal phenotype.........
If it doesn't pan out.....It sure would've been fun trying.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"We'll see....I hope some MSPs hatch out...then there will be no one saying it is just a lighter variation of normal phenotype"

Exactly, MSP phenotypes will definitely be the clincher..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Hi John, all I can say is, that animal is the most normal phenotypic thayeri I have seen on these pages in a long while.

That is about as normal in color and pattern as it gets, (in my experience with my main local).

So with that being very normal. Why would it have some fancy name in captivity? Just my curiousity.

Not to offend anyone, but most if what I see on this board my be pure, but are indeed freeks in nature. And freeks do occur, only very rarely. That animal is the normal. Thanks

"Why would it have some fancy name in captivity? Just my curiousity"

Not necessarily referring to that particular animal John posted, but at exactly what specific shade of red does a normal variation of light red/pink/orange then become an example of hypoerythrism?

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>"Why would it have some fancy name in captivity? Just my curiousity"
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>> Not necessarily referring to that particular animal John posted, but at exactly what specific shade of red does a normal variation of light red/pink/orange then become an example of hypoerythrism?

I don't think an animal should be called hypoerythristic or any other genetic name for that matter unless it is somewhat predictably reproducible......

If some MSPs hatch out later that have reduced red I will call this male Hypo-E....Until then he is a gray Leonis with reduced red saddles.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"I don't think an animal should be called hypoerythristic or any other genetic name for that matter unless it is somewhat predictably reproducible......

If some MSPs hatch out later that have reduced red I will call this male Hypo-E....Until then he is a gray Leonis with reduced red saddles"

I totally agree, but you took all the fun out of asking FR..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>Hi John, all I can say is, that animal is the most normal phenotypic thayeri I have seen on these pages in a long while.
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>> That is about as normal in color and pattern as it gets, (in my experience with my main local).
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>> So with that being very normal. Why would it have some fancy name in captivity? Just my curiousity.
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>> Not to offend anyone, but most if what I see on this board my be pure, but are indeed freeks in nature. And freeks do occur, only very rarely. That animal is the normal. Thanks

I agree it is "normal" looking Frank......
It's just the fact that it hatched out of animals that look nothing at all like it nor does it siblings.......I know that isn't too far fetched at all for thayeri as I have hatched a few hundred or so over the years.........
In person the saddles are lavender and pink.....Not red at all......I just want to try and prove it out........If it isn't, no big deal....if it is still no big deal but a Hypoerythristic MSP would look different.......Yep...a mutant freak but different.......

And you are right Frank....Most of the thayeri in particular are line bred freaks of nature with the exception of a few wild ones displaying the bright colors seen in the hobby today.....

The problem is the fact that we were dealt a hand to play with without ever getting any new cards......What we have is line bred to the hilt......

BTW...did you see the F2s I posted below......Classic Earth-Toned Thayeri.......My favorite........as a matter a fact....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...