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For those who offered suggestions this is what I'm considering.

KINGS:
Non-hypo brooks
Local B&W kings
Pungo Ridge (VA Beach local) easterns
Pelican Island (inside Galviston Bay) local speckled kings. These are very similar to the Split Rock’s lemon kings.

TRI COLORS:
277 Blairs
Keeping a few of my thayeri (vivid retro line)
Cosala Sinoloan milks
Patagonia pyros

RAT SNAKES:
Keeping my Bakers Crossing Bairds
Keeping the Howie Sherman line Okeetees

PITUOPHIS:
Local laws prohibit me from keeping northern pines so my first choice is a moot point, beyond that I don’t know. This one is still up in the air.

PYTHONS:
A single pair of jungle carpets. I have aquired a nice (OK) female from excellent blood lines and will be in the market for a trophy male. Have my eye on some produced by Will B.

BOAS:
A single pair of an insular dwarf form. Just became aware of these and am pretty excited by the concept of a 4’ boa.
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Hey, Tony.

Get some vertebralis or some amel striped pacifics, they're like 3 footers and they're awesome

Chris
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Those sound intersting.
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Chris Jones
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I remember them being very nice Chris
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>>PYTHONS:
>>A single pair of jungle carpets. I have aquired a nice (OK) female from excellent blood lines and will be in the market for a trophy male. Have my eye on some produced by Will B.
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I assume you know this, but alas this is my lone area of expertise in what you are looking at getting into. The lines are of utmost importance. Leary, Lazik, VPI. These are all very well trusted lines. The 70 buck JCP at a show just aint cutting in. But again, since you are mentioning trophy, I assume ya know this. I have a few folks I can suggest if you would like.
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Suggest away!
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>>Suggest away!
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Will shoot you an email.
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Hi Cindy,

I agree with much of what you have said, however I would caution people to consider more than a breeder's line when considering jungles. Many of the "new age" jungle breeders (post 2000) have set jungle refinement back by outcrossing known lines in an attempt to make the lines stronger. In my opinion, all that they have succeeded in doing is diluting those lines that you speak of, as well as other exceptional, classic lines by random out-crossing.

Trophies aren't as common as they used to be, and going by line alone can, and has caused great dissapointment amongst jungle keepers in their quest for trophies. Always look at the parents, and if possible, the grand-parents of animals that you are considering and probe the breeder to find out the history of their lines as far back as possible.

I only say this because I have been breeding jungles since '95 and have been looking to enhance those jungle traits that we all strive for since that time. Thanks.

Will.

Pictured is an F4 - {VPI/Hamper(German import/Lazik)}, 2 year old male I produced. This is the "old school" phenotype that I have been looking to consistantly produce.

"This is the "old school" phenotype that I have been looking to consistantly produce."

Very nice Will. That is exactly what I hardly ever see anymore.
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Mexican pines. Or a bullsnake from a large bloodline (7' bullsnake!).
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i like your choices.

if it were up to me i would do some research and work with non morph southern pines or black pines. ginter might be a good one to ask about lineage, etc.

good luck with your quest.
daveb
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I agree on the non-hypo line normal brooksi

As far as pits, I might recommend a unique locality type bullsnake like the Kingsville red bulls, or the more recently available Indiana black bulls. There are some nice Florida pines going around, too.
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If I can't keep northerns I'll likely settle for a smaller west cost type gopher. I know I said that I'd like to stay away from morphs but the Klumper hypo annectans is hard to beat as is the blond deserticola. When it comes to pits I find that many are just to big and to active to make ideal subjects for captive maintenance and I will have limited large cage space.
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Normal San Diego gophers that are quality specimens are hard to beat, IMO. I have been kinda looking for one for quite some time that was beyond phenomenal, but haven't been able to yet.

Great Basin gophers are awesome as well, and don't have the size as say, a northern pine.

Variety is the spice of life Tony, and it is cool that you will have a collection that has much to offer. To me, that is the way to go!!
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Genesis 1:1

I agree on the size issue. Out of those west coast varieties, I'd be most interested in the Cape Gophers.
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...if ya want to keep pits the why not Pituophis catenifer pumilis? Cool little gophers that aren't in everybody's collection...
:Mark
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Glad to hear you are considering Cosala sinaloans Tony. They are fantastic.

Dave

Here are a couple right of out the egg this year

A really nice male I produced in 2008

and a few females I have

DNS Reptiles - Milk Snakes

Dave, those babies are rediculous. WOW. Tony, I assume you could keep Deppei Deppei or Jani right? They do get big though.

Joe

I love jani but generally just to big and active for me to house properly. I'm considering these from an intermediate population of annectans and bimiris. Credit for these goes to Scott John. I provided a link to his site if anyone is interested. Only met him a few times but he's a first rate herpetoculturist.

Scott John Reptiles

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Tony, I went to that link. Man, you are not kidding. That guy seems to have some nice locale stuff. I like the story that goes with each species too. Interesting collection too, thaks for the link. My wife now will hate you. LOL.

Joe

Very nice ideas Tony. I especially like the Cosala Sinaloans and the insular Boas. Experienced keepers often seem to take Sinaloans for granted but IMHO they are one of the most beautiful tricolors, right up there with L. z. agalma IMHO. My choice for an insular would be a Hogg Isle, they are a little bigger but they have been my favorite boa for a long time.
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