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This is a Sonoran right?

calebjg Sep 28, 2011 07:11 PM

The female for sale on the Kingsnake classifieds is super dark compared to this one.Is this a hypo or something? Or is that one not a Sonoran(its for sale from Prairie creek reptiles)?
Thanks


Replies (9)

DISCERN Sep 29, 2011 12:36 AM

Although Sonorans are variable, what the pics you are showing of, I can't say with 100 percent certainty, due to much of the snake not being visible, if it is a Sonoran or not. Perhaps someone with more experience can chime in.

The ad you speak of is from what I can tell, a San Diego gopher.
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PeeBee Sep 29, 2011 01:10 PM

The snake in your photo appears to be a sonoran. It’s rostral scale is kind of narrow, so it may have some bull snake influence.
I’m not sure what kind of pit is in the Prairie Creek classified photo. It doesn’t look like any Sonoran I’ve ever seen. Although the heavy body & wide head are bull/Sonoran traits, the body pattern is too clean for a Sonoran,. My guess would be that its’ a captive cross between a bull & a San Diego. Who knows for sure? All kinds of crosses can be produced in captivity.

PB

Evil_Hybrid Sep 30, 2011 03:24 AM

My first thought was that there may be some jani in the mix.
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Pit_fan Sep 29, 2011 03:00 PM

I concur with Billy. The "Prairie Creek" gopher is a San Diego. As for your snake, it has a number of Sonoran attributes. The degree to which "morphing" and hybridization is occurring among breeders these days is making specific ID's rather obscure. In the past several weeks on this board, there have been several "Name this Snake or Morph" questions as the owner was not sure themselves.

My two cents worth.
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calebjg Sep 29, 2011 03:55 PM

So it may be best to describe her as a possible Sonoran cross and not breed her.Not that I would ever get that far anyway.But thanks for the heads up.

DISCERN Sep 29, 2011 05:27 PM

If you can, please post some full body pics, so those who are knowledgable about Sonorans can better see the details of your beautiful snake.
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ShaunRoberson Sep 30, 2011 09:15 AM

Looks like it to me, and a nice one.

The snake in that ad is definitely a San Diego.
PS Pituophis

SHADOWGUY Oct 01, 2011 01:03 AM

DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY WILD CAUGHT PIT...BUT A MIX OF SOME SORT. THE STRANGE ROSE COLORED BLOTCHES ARE PRETTY TO BE SURE, BUT FROM WHAT COULD THEY BE DERIVED? HI DISCERN!

DISCERN Oct 01, 2011 01:37 AM

Hi Tom!
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