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This was a breeding I did with my friend Scott. I bred my pink phase leucistic male (from Isis) to his pink Pepper Pinesnake.

These babies are very different. One is patternless and solid pink. One is patterned and very purple. One is solid gold patternless, and another is patternless on the dorsal, but has pink markings on the sides, like a reverse white side!

Another neat thing is the color of the eyes, they are much lighter, and look like the greenish grey color of the leucistic male.

Enjoy,

Jay Jacoby

Breeder male pink phase leucistic

Breeder male close up of eye color

Breeder female pink Pepper Pine

Gold hatchling

Patterned purple hatchling

Since this line has bullsnake blood in it, and it is obvious that the male used is a hybrid bull/pine, shouldn't this be in the Hybrid forum?

Very pretty snakes, but calling them pines when they are not, when the hobby already has to deal with problems arising from hybridization, only adds to the confusion for innocent hobbyists down the road.
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Genesis 1:1

The male breeder is a pure leucistic Southern Pinesnake from Isis reptiles as stated in the post. I thought that this was a breeders fourm...not the feild herp fourm. I love to see people getting their panties in a bunch over the silliest things.

If my posting photos of my snakes offends anyone im sorry. Can't we all just enjoy the pretty colors?

Jay Jacoby

Actually, you are right about the male, and I had looked at the photos with the wrong caption. My apologies.

It is the female that is the hybrid bull/pine. Gorgeous animal, but still, not a pinesnake.

It isn't about getting upset, it is about just simply being accurate with what is being shown. They are not pinesnakes, but hybrids. Has nothing to do with field herping or being offended.
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Genesis 1:1

"I love to see people getting their panties in a bunch over the silliest things"

What is so "silly" about you portraying that it is a Pinesnake when you know it clearly a man-made cross that you yourself produced?. Is a Florida kingsnake purposely crossed by someone with an Eastern Kingsnake still a genuine Florida kingsnake?..LOL!

"Can't we all just enjoy the pretty colors?"

That is exactly why there are so many horribly muddied-up hodge-podges of countless bloodlines of just about every kind of snake you could possibly imagine now in todays hobby. It's because too many people only care about "enjoying the pretty colors" and patterns, but don't give two craps about keeping a snake's specific, or subspecific integrity intact at all.

The very LEAST you could do is drop the "Pinesnake" from the title and call it exactly what it is. You know full freakin well that people immediately down the line are going to be "thinking" it is some sort of unique "Pinesnake" and passing along the "Pinesnake" part of the name right along with all the countless babies that are ever produced from them as well. Knowingly portraying that it is indeed a true Pinesnake when you know full well it isn't is what is called deceit in my book.

THAT my friend is what gets people's "panties in a bunch"!

Save the silly pseudo-justifications for someone that doesn't know any better. After all, that is the whole idea anyway, right?

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Very well said Doug.
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Matt Kauffman

Jay, there's no need to apologize. They're your snakes and you have every right to breed them as you wish. Unfortunately there are some on these forums that are vehemently against hybrids. I guess you can call them old school herpers. Personally, I think they are beautiful and different. Keep up the good work!

Why muddy the water? If you must, don't call it spring water.