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Hi Guys, especially anyone familar or working with the Superstripes. These girls are clutch mates and this is the first picture I took of them right out of the egg. Do you think there is something special and unusual going on here or just a 1 in a million chance that this girl(Paradox Ivory)came out looking so much like her sister ? Any ideas or comments will be much appreciated. Jay JEMreptiles@gmail.com

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JEMreptiles@gmail.com from sunny AZ.

Lots of cool Ball Pythons along with
0.0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty and some great Bull snakes.
1.1 Argentinian Black and White Tegus
1.0 Gotti Pitbull (Tank)
2.0 Beautiful Bengals (Stryker and Cynbad)
12 Tarantulas
Last but most Important 2.2 Children

I'm not an expert by any means, but could it be an Ivory Super Stripe?
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Dave Martin
High End Royal Pythons

nope, cant be an ivory superstripe. yellow belly and spector are allelic. cant have 3 copies on the same locus. only 2 so it has to be either an ivory or a crazy super stripe.
adam jeffery

btw my vote is a paradox ivory
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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

As more and more of the paradox animals are produced, the theory of a genetic chimera seems to be the correct one.

"A chimera or chimaera is a single organism (usually an animal) that is composed of two or more different populations of genetically distinct cells that originated from different zygotes involved in sexual reproduction."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics)

In simple terms what this means is imagine twins within an egg, one superstripe and one ivory, that at some early point fused together to create 1 snake out of the material for two, with both phenotypes being expressed to some extent.

pretty neat stuff

Link

I'll second this. Paradoxes seem to be chimeras.
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25 year old 0.1 from Lincoln, NE
Ball Pythons - 0.1 Pastel, 1.0 Pastel het Pied, 0.1 Pied, 0.1 Cinn, 1.0 Black Pewter, 1.0 Woma (hidden gene?), 0.1 Yellowbelly, 2.1 Normals
Kingsnakes - 1.0 L. m. thayeri, 0.1 L. m. thayeri X L. alterna, 1.0 L. g. californiae
Other - 0.1 Whitesided P. catenifer sayi, 1.0 H. nascicus, ?.? Chrysemys picta, 0.1 crazy cat, 1.0 husband

i'll third it. my snake which is 80 percent butter and 20 percent wild type gives me wild type offspring only. to me, and i only play scientist on the internet, that says chimera.

gorgeous snake you got there, stunning.

Very interesting to say the least. Gotta get her up to breeding size to see whats going on I guess, thank you. Jay
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JEMreptiles@gmail.com from sunny AZ.

Lots of cool Ball Pythons along with
0.0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty and some great Bull snakes.
1.1 Argentinian Black and White Tegus
1.0 Gotti Pitbull (Tank)
2.0 Beautiful Bengals (Stryker and Cynbad)
12 Tarantulas
Last but most Important 2.2 Children

Jay post the new pic of the paradox.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Not a clue but it sure is cool!

Congrats Jay

Brent
BRB Reptiles

Thanks Brent, I am really interested in seeing what happens when she gets up to breeding size. I got real nice Ivories, Spectors and SuperStripes from those 2 clutches but its beyond me why she actually seems to have an actual pattern to her unlike every other Paradox that usually looks like you ran a paint roller over them that just hit the high spots and seem to be a dark color.. I want some answer from you guys that that are like walking encyclopidias of knowledge when it comes to snakes and the way the genes work...lol. Hope you had a great season, Jay
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JEMreptiles@gmail.com from sunny AZ.

Lots of cool Ball Pythons along with
0.0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty and some great Bull snakes.
1.1 Argentinian Black and White Tegus
1.0 Gotti Pitbull (Tank)
2.0 Beautiful Bengals (Stryker and Cynbad)
12 Tarantulas
Last but most Important 2.2 Children