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Apologies and such plus a comparison

J-Cal Oct 02, 2003 10:26 AM

With my posts below I do not wish to be alienating others for their choices on how to keep Corucia etc etc. It is understandable and commendable to rescue creatures from poor conditions. What concerns me is the reletive inexpensiveness of such a rare creature, that may entice people to come along do some reading and decide to get ONE. On a small scale this is not a problem, but if large numbers of people get just one without any attempts of breeding programs, we could doom Corucia for the second time. We've already destroyed their habitat, the best we can do is ensure their survival through captive reproduction. Can we ever release them? Nope. Does that mean we should give up on future generations? Certainly not. I am not trying to imply that it is morally wrong to get just one, but a conscientious herper should be concerned with generating future generations; maybe not owning a pair or group soley for reproductive purposes, but at least trying to find another individual with which to breed it to. Corucia are doomed without our help.

I often run into a similar situation with a local herp in my area, the eastern box turtle. Roads and development have crippled their populations making them rather uncommon compared to 5 years ago and even protected in my home state of ohio. I work at a pet shop and have probably 5-6 people come in or call each week on hwo to take care of the cute turtle that would certainly die in the wild, or that they got off the road so they deserve it as theirs. They refuse to let them free. They hear that they need a large enclosure high humidity 2 kinds of lights wow thats a lot, i think I'll just set it in a cage near a window and feed it lettuce and tomatoes like is "common knowledge." I assume the far majority of these die. I would have no problem with people keeping these "not quite so rare" turtles if attempts were made to breed them or even keep them correctly alone. Each one of those turtles is essentially dead the second it enters captivity even if it lives 20 years with that person. Its genes never get passed on, its no longer a live individual trying to ensure survival, its a play thing.

In conclusion I hope that I did not offend anyone with my opinions, but at the same time, I think it is a shame to look at these situations in ways that dont include the big picture.
Justin

Replies (3)

Edward Oct 02, 2003 01:23 PM

n/p
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Edward
Carpe diem

James Wilson Oct 02, 2003 01:42 PM

np

Flavia Guimaraes Oct 02, 2003 08:57 PM

As i said before im not against breeding Leonardo and to say the true sometimes i think his routine is so mixed up (sometimes he spends 2, 3 days in a row sleeping day and night without eating or pooping!Ive never seen a reptile doing that! Or any animal!)because his family ties have been broken. He doesnt seem prepared for life as i said in my previous posters!Thats why im always handling and kissing him and allowing him to be close to my family.Well, that kind of approach works with kids and Orang-utans why not with MTSs?lol!
The salesman from the shop where i bought Leonardo (and that still has another MTS waiting to be sold), told me that the other MTS barely moves too! Is he depressed? Are both depressed? So when Leonardo is awake and wants to go out from his cage i let him do it under my supervision of course! In this moments he is not lethargic but alert and full of energy!
Dont worry, guys i know the problem and im trying my best to find a female for Leonardo! I do love my green and bald " Ninja Turtle" and i want him to be happy!Besides that i do want to be a grand mother!lol!

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