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Who produced the first Amel Striped/Aberrant Ruthven's and is there a name for that combo?
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Aaron, I don't know who was the first. I do know there are a handful of amel striped but haven't seen a amel super stripe yet. Here' a stripe that is 67% het amel that I produced this year.

John Lassiter may chime in, he might know.

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Jimmy Tintle

I don't think it needs a marketable name like Lava Flow Ruthvens. Shannon named his Tapalpa line aberrants "Diablo", so thats taken. I like the plain jane description, Amealco striped/aberrant (super stripe)amelanistic L.ruthveni. No confusion there.
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Jimmy Tintle

Haha... Yeah, that's so simple.
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Gerard

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I think it should have a very misleading and confusing name actually, that way it can follow suit with so many others we now see in the hobby.

(sarcasm of course)..

~Doug
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>>I don't think it needs a marketable name like Lava Flow Ruthvens. Shannon named his Tapalpa line aberrants "Diablo", so thats taken. I like the plain jane description, Amealco striped/aberrant (super stripe)amelanistic L.ruthveni. No confusion there.

There should be a differentiating name for each "stage of the mutation" since there are different degrees of aberrancies that lead to striping and then there is a super form......Aberrant, Striped and Super Striped.....That is our way of labeling them and the amelanistic forms of each....
All Amealco, Mexico locality animals......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>Who produced the first Amel Striped/Aberrant Ruthven's and is there a name for that combo?
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>>www.hcu-tx.org/
All of the aberrant and striped ruthies originated from some Ruthies Lloyd Lemke collected and bred. The amel ruthie emerged in 1987 from some Gartska Ruthies Terry was breeding.....

Shannon, Randy and Justin both created some animals that carried both genes, but the first to produce the Amel Striped Ruthveni was a guy (I forget his name) that Justin sold some aberrant ruthies to that were het for amel. I think it was produced in 2007 or 2008........The pair I got from Justin in 2005 were non feeders and only one made it or I think I would have had some by now too......Oh well......

Here's the picture I have of it:

Since then there have been a few others to produce amel stripers but as Jimmy mentioned there has yet to be an amel super stripe......As far as I know and as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't be called anything else besides amel aberrant, amel striped and some day amel super striped.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Cool, that's a really sweet looking albino. Those are pure ruthveni?
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Gerard

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>>Cool, that's a really sweet looking albino. Those are pure ruthveni?

Yep......untainted ruthveni......results of line breeding.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That's sweet! The super stripe is that wide full striped one???
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Gerard

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>>That's sweet! The super stripe is that wide full striped one???
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>>Gerard
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>>"I am the one that hides the universal secret of all time"
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>>www.livebaitclip.com
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>>GONE FISHING!!!

There's no super stripes in that photo.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yep, pure ruthveni. John has the original male that started the whole aberrant line. Its crazy how they havent become more popular over the years. I guess not knowing the true genetics of it deters people away from them. You can breed two aberrants together and get all different patterns from normal to striped.

I bred 2 stripes together and produced one aberrant, one partial striped and one striped. Hopefully next year I get a super stripe to breed back to a het amel striped female or male I have. To produce the elusive amel super stripe.
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Jimmy Tintle

>>Yep, pure ruthveni. John has the original male that started the whole aberrant line. Its crazy how they havent become more popular over the years. I guess not knowing the true genetics of it deters people away from them. You can breed two aberrants together and get all different patterns from normal to striped.
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>>I bred 2 stripes together and produced one aberrant, one partial striped and one striped. Hopefully next year I get a super stripe to breed back to a het amel striped female or male I have. To produce the elusive amel super stripe.
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>>Jimmy Tintle

Yea.....that old guy is Shannon's.....
I think they will eventually be easier and more predictable to produce with more line breeding......IMHO......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Do you have pics of a super stripe?
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Gerard

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She only laid 3 eggs this year, all possible het amel. Both parents were partial striped. There is much variability in the striped gene. I do have photos of the super stripes but they are not mine.
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Jimmy Tintle

What Ruthveni from this line do you plan on breeding next Spring?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I am breeding the same males and females I did last year but I have one more female I will use both striped males to. So, they one pair that produced the super for Ryan is getting paired again this coming spring. They are down til March, hopefully the little extra time does the trick.

That stripe I produced maybe ready for 2013, she is pounding 2 to 3 FT pinks every 5 days or so. If shes ready I am going to breed her back to dad. Who is definite het amel.
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Jimmy Tintle

>>I am breeding the same males and females I did last year but I have one more female I will use both striped males to. So, they one pair that produced the super for Ryan is getting paired again this coming spring. They are down til March, hopefully the little extra time does the trick.
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>>That stripe I produced maybe ready for 2013, she is pounding 2 to 3 FT pinks every 5 days or so. If shes ready I am going to breed her back to dad. Who is definite het amel.
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>>Jimmy Tintle

Cool...sounds like a plan.....I may need to pick up a couple more soon.....LOL Or just hold back a few nice ones....but I would like to have an amel striped pair.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yea, me too. Hopefully maybe next year. I would even take a pair of supers possible het amel. I wonder who is working with those amel stripes you posted. Any idea? Or were they sold and then just fell into the wrong hands?
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Jimmy Tintle

>>Yea, me too. Hopefully maybe next year. I would even take a pair of supers possible het amel. I wonder who is working with those amel stripes you posted. Any idea? Or were they sold and then just fell into the wrong hands?
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>>Jimmy Tintle

The guy still has all of them and lives in Utah.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"The guy still has all of them and lives in Utah......."

LOL, if it's who I think it is then the guy you are talking about actually got some of his double hets from me.

In the 90's Shannon gave me the original old Lemke het striped/aberrant male. I had a pair of amels that I bought as adults from somebody at the San Diego show and I used the old male on the amel female to produce one clutch. I sold the clutch of het amel pos het striped/aberrant to a guy in Utah. Shannon also sold him some ruthven's that year, I think they were double hets but they could have been amel het striped/aberrant.

After I produced that one clutch I sold to the guy in Utah I sold the amels to somebody(I forget who) and I kept the old Lemke male. I kept him for a couple/few years and had nothing to breed him with until I got a normal female ruthven's from Ric Blair. At least I think she was normal but she could have been het for striped/aberrant too. I produced a clutch which contained two aberrant males and two normal looking females. I kept those snakes for about a year and then I sold them to Shannon and also gave him back the old Lemke male.

What funny is now you have those snakes John, the old Lemke male and the two aberrant males and two normal looking females.

It's funny because now I am thinking of getting back into ruthveni and the it seems that if I do I will be buying offspring of snakes I used to own. Small world huh? I guess I never should have let them go. All I asked was if they had a name and I'm discovering all this ironic stuff. I am just glad the people who have them now didn't cross them 'cause now I want babies.
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>>LOL, if it's who I think it is then the guy you are talking about actually got some of his double hets from me.

Yep...it's the same guy Aaron...
I may get one or some from him soon.....LOL

And, as you know I have Shannon's Amealcos and some were once yours......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>Yea, me too. Hopefully maybe next year. I would even take a pair of supers possible het amel. I wonder who is working with those amel stripes you posted. Any idea? Or were they sold and then just fell into the wrong hands?
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>>Jimmy Tintle
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Disclaimer......Not my animals nor my pics......

And here's some more amel aberrants/stripes.........

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Cool, I can see the difference now. That's so cool. I can't believe I hadn't seen those yet. The super stripe albino is going to be nuts!!!
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Gerard

"I am the one that hides the universal secret of all time"

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GONE FISHING!!!

>>Cool, I can see the difference now. That's so cool. I can't believe I hadn't seen those yet. The super stripe albino is going to be nuts!!!

I agree.....and I can't believe there aren't more super stripes nor any super striped albinos yet.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Not a Super Striper though....

And an Aberrant Amel Feamle...

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Really nice John, is that female going to be ready for 2013 season? Your male, does it have any bands before the vent?
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Jimmy Tintle

>>Really nice John, is that female going to be ready for 2013 season? Your male, does it have any bands before the vent?
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>>Jimmy Tintle

I am brumating her now.....But I don't think she'll be breeding next year unless she puts on enough size in the Spring, but 2013 for sure.....
The male has two bands before the vent......His sibling sister is completely banded with only one aberrancy....They are ready to go next year......Plus I have a few of Shannon's Amealcos from the Old Guy that have some aberrancies and are adults........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I concur, hopefully I will have some better knowledge on how it works in a few years.
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Jimmy Tintle

>>I concur, hopefully I will have some better knowledge on how it works in a few years.

Me too, If I can ever get Ruthveni to breed better for me......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>>>I concur, hopefully I will have some better knowledge on how it works in a few years.
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>>Me too, If I can ever get Ruthveni to breed better for me......
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>>John Lassiter
>>Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Here's some of the original animals from Justin that carried both genes.......

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yea, hopefully you'll kill it next yr. I will like to see what that striped male you have produces. Is that striped male het amel?
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Jimmy Tintle

>>Yea, hopefully you'll kill it next yr. I will like to see what that striped male you have produces. Is that striped male het amel?

Not that I know of....It wasn't advertised as such....Produced by Jeff Hardwick......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Always a possibility being from the Amealco line. Hopefully you get lucky.
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Jimmy Tintle