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Whoa, that is one cool looking animal Jason!!!

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Normally I am not in favor of albino anything, for various genetic health issues, but that is one beautiful animal! I would be proud to have it in my collection.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Yeah I hear ya and agree some amel genes can be weak but I think it thats its unfair to say all amel gene can be problematic. I know some are weak and some are strong.

I have kept and worked with a lot animals with recessive trait and none are weak as Stillwater Hypo gene. They are super weak. I never keep anything with Stillwater Hypo gene / trait

I have kept and worked with a lot animals with recessive trait and none are weak as Stillwater Hypo gene. They are super weak. I never keep anything with Stillwater Hypo gene / trait
Now I am really alarmed! I have Kingsville Hypos, but they seem to be vigorous and healthy. The female hypo in thus clutch is much bigger than her siblings. In what way are hypos weak, in your extensive experience? I want to avoid propagating weaknesses.

Never mind white spots on babies; I marked them to tell them apart until I got familiar with each individual.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

I meant to say I have Stillwater Hypos, not Kingsville hypos. Mixed with Kingsville, though.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

I meant to say I will never keep anything with the Stillwater Hypo gene again.

Its just my opinion and I know some others that feel the same way.

I have owned 3 different pairs of Stillwater Hypos and a group of Red X Stillwater Hypos.
The first pair I owned looked healthy as hatchlings. But as they aged, they devolved kinks and knotted spines. One of them slept on its back. The first time seen that I thought it was dead but when I went to grab it, sprung to life. The other sibling crawled backwards instead of forward.
The second pair I had just up and died about the one year mark. plus they crawled funny on occasion. They just acted a little off.
The 3rd pair seemed totally fine. But every time I got eggs, they would go full term and die in the egg. That happen 2 years in a row.
I have heard similar thing from other people. I get emails from people asking the same questions. The most often question. Do you know why my Stillwater Hypo would just died randomly when all seem well.

I didn't see as much problems with my Kingsville X Stillwater crosses early on. Probably because they where outcrossed. But I did see little signs with each generations passed. 3rd generations deformity's and full term non hatching.

There was a reason people started calling them Golden Hypos. Because they recognized the weakness of the gene. So they outcrossed to make them stronger, plus they where no longer Locality animals.

I think they are beautiful animals. This is just my opinion and experiences. I sure there are people out there that have different opinions and experiences.

Thank you so much for this valuable information. Mine are Kingsville x Stillwaters. I will keep watch for these problems. I am not a commercial breeder, in fact I did not even expect my pair to breed this year, as they were quite young. I am looking for a Kingsville red male to outbreed to my female and her daughter. Am not in any big hurry as it seems every snake I produce I wind up keeping! LOL!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Looking for a Kingsville Red Male? A really large, robust adult male?

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"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese."

Oh, I know you would never sell Ahnuld! LOL! He is my dream bull!

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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Here's one of the last photos of Ahnuld before I put him into "winter storage". As big as he is now, he is nearly always a two person job when extracting him from his tank. I put him in the shower to let him explore some different environs while cleaning his tank. Seems to enjoy the opportunity to cruise around that entire room as it is a safe room for him. I miss him and the others this time of year!

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"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese."

What a great pic! Have saved it to my hard drive.

Almost all my snakes are brumating now, including the parents to these babies. But the babies are still feeding, so I have something to play with for the winter.

The white marks are just to tell a few of the brothers apart. I don't know what I am going to do with all the little males. I wish I could trade them for one good Kingsville red male.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

There must be some "straight up" Kingsville reds to be had still. Bet Ginter knows someone who either has a litter or who may be breeding some next year. I would like to get a really nice female Kingsville sometime...
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"The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese."

That absolutely rules! Only you could make a bull snake look like an applegate annectans!
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Pituophis c. annectans
Senticolis t. intermedia
Rhinechis scalaris
Elaphe bairdi
Lampropeltis t. campbelli
Lampropeltis m. thayeri

1.1 turbo corns
1.1 jungle corns
1.1 thayeri hybrids (het albino)

Ginter started this project. I like where its headed.

Jason

That snake is so awesome! You better be keeping it! LOL!!!!
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