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This is probably my best ruthveni of this year. It's pattern is pretty much flawless and that is exactly what I breed for.

Enjoy,

Jack

Love the symmetry.
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Very nice!

I still to this day could never really make out the alleged vague "lime green" coloration that is said to thinly outline the black rings in many L.ruthveni. Has anyone ever been able to make out this in any of the ruthveni they have ever kept?

~Doug
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Doug I had read that also but was never able to see it either. All I could figure was that in the right light the black takes on some green highlights like the attached photo shows.

Yeah, that is a great depiction of what I am talking about. Hard to tell if it is where the different colored pigments meet and blend, or if the black melanin pigment cells are less abundant right at the edge and the other color tends to "bleed" through the dark pigment or whatever. Seems like yellow and reds bleeding through various color combinations of what looks to be BLACK could produce a greenish hue in some, but who knows.

It could very well have alot to do with other underlying pigment(s) in certain individuals as is illustrated in many types of amels and hypos when the melanin is taken out of the picture.

Thanks for your personal insight on it and the photo.

~Doug
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Not to bring up hybrids, but I have seen some green babies come from breeding them to Thayeri.
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>>Not to bring up hybrids, but I have seen some green babies come from breeding them to Thayeri.
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Greeri are green......
Some thayeri are green......

Check out Mr. Hansen's site......
There are some ruthveni with greenish light colored bands.....gray and yellow/cream look green.......just like when a yellow leonis speckles out with gray it gives an overall greenish hue......
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John Lassiter
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Very nice! AWESOME

DAVY

Great looking Ruthveni specimen there Jack!
Looks to be Amealco locale.
Do you have any lineage information on your Ruthveni?

Thanks for sharing that picture. It is flawless!
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John Lassiter
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John, unfortunately I can not trace these back to a known wild ancester but I believe them to be pure Amealco locality ruthveni. How can you tell that they are Amealco? I don't have an eye for that yet. Then again with only 2 known localities and amealco being fairly common it's better than a 50-50 chance.

Yeah, its a pure Amaelco animal for sure.They look much different than the Tapalpa or the Jalapan animals.Yes, there is three lines of Ruthveni in the hobby.I think I am stil the only person with all three lines.If John can get lucky next year with my Animals we will have all three lines available.

The Tapalpa line is the farthest west they are known to accur and for many years where believed to be Jalisco Milks (arcifera).
They have a very different red color thats almost a cherry red.There inner bands are much more narrow and higher bands counts across the door.
Here is a couple pics of some Tapalpa animals.

I have produced some very interesting aberrant animals from my Tapalpa line as well.I call them Diablo's.

Here is a couple pics of some Amaelco animals including some red headed babies and some aberrants.

here is the w/c male that was collected in 1983 as a adult by Lloyd Lemke.This male along with a w/c female from the same rock piles started the whole aberrant line.This guy is still alive and is still breeding as far as I know? John?......he has to be well over 30 years old now.

here is one of the first aberrant females produced back in 91.I had her about ten years and produced many babies from her bred back to her dad and bred to albinos to make dbl-hets etc...

This is a clutch that my friend Mark Hazel produced last year from some dbl-hets I produced and sold him about ten years ago.

Here are a couple pics of some Jalapan animals.They are the farthest east population known.They where believed to be "smithi" way back in the mid 80's when they where first brought into the country by Dave Barker and some others.

hope you enjoyed the little history and pics.

L8r Shannon

Very interesting! Thanks for posting. Those albino's are beautiful.
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Great pictorial there Shannon!
And one can see the differences in each locale after studying them a bit.....
I wish we could get some Hidalgo ruthveni into the hobby....they are the best looking in my opinion.....

And yes the 30 year old guy hooked up to a female last year about 5 times at least but I had a terrible year with ruthveni in general and got infertile eggs from her.....

I did manage to get that diablo female you pictured above to produce some fertile eggs but only hatched out two slightly aberrant males. I bred her to her F3 brother.....

I have made some adjustments and should produce some Amealcos. Tapalpas and Jalpans next year from Shannons awesome ruthveni........then I have some aberrant, striped and amel Amealcos that'll be breeding for the first time next year as well as some more amels coming up for the future......they seem to be getting more difficult to find so I stocked up on some.....lol
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John Lassiter
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Hi John,

like I said earlier I haven't gotten to the point of being able to tell the locality of all ruthveni just by their patterns. I noticed that not even the pros always can because there are 2 pictures of the same snake on Shannon's website, 1 is in the amealco group and the other in the jalpan group. It's obvious by the aberrancy on the neck that they are the same snake. Just pointing out that there isn't that much difference except down some family lines but nothing in general.

Jack

Sweet!

I like him a lot Jack.