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I would like to ask everyone what they think the next big thing is in the colubrid (kingsnakes precisely) market / hobby.

I'd like to think it is the following:

Mex Mex
Black hypoerythristics
Ultra Granite hypoerythristicss
Black hypoerthristic ultra granites
Stripers

Pyros
Hypoerythristic Sentz hypomelanistic
Hypoerythristic Applegate special
Amel Hypoerythristics
Amel Applegate Specials
Combos with Aberrants

Knoblochi
Striped hypo candycanes

Thayeri
Leopards
Jaguars
Reduced blacks
Hallow saddled
Combos of the above

What else?
California kings
Floridana
Splendida
Holbrooki
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

.....Webbi.

I hope not to see many (Over priced) lampro morphs. The fewer the better IMO. We already have enough of that garbage with the Ball Pythons lol.

PL

>>.....Webbi.
>>I hope not to see many (Over priced) lampro morphs. The fewer the better IMO. We already have enough of that garbage with the Ball Pythons lol.

I contemplated adding Webbi to the list actually.......

And the projects I listed are ones I am working on or will be working on......personally I don't consider them garbage at all.......lol

But the BP world has gone crazy, especially on pricing..........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Royal pythons
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>>Royal pythons

Never!
There's Too many folks working with those colored pet rocks already......remember I'm not doing any of this to make a living.....
I have a REAL job that pays well.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yeah and the truth is those people with the BP's don't work and make 10x your salary.

Hmmmm, let me see which i would choose? HA HA HA HA!
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Not all of them....actually only a few of them make a decent living in my opinion.........and they aren't making 1.6 million a year.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Not all of them....actually only a few of them make a decent living in my opinion.........and they aren't making 1.6 million a year.....lol

I know of a few very private individuals who make a ton of money and don't eeven have a website. There are a lot more big boys out there besides the "known" big boys.

I know how much money some of them have made. Let me tell ya it is nothing to sneeze at. Some very serious money by anyones standards..
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I agree with all that but haven't you ever heard that you can't get rich off of something someone else already has?

The leaders lead in the money department and the stragglers die on the vine.......typically..........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I agree with all that but haven't you ever heard that you can't get rich off of something someone else already has?

Sorry i don't agree with you. I know people who got involved late and even if i was to invest, I could make a killing. Just that i don't have the cash right now.

because of all the traits almost anyone can produce a new morphs.

Beleive me I was one of the most adament against BP. I hate BP. They ARE Pet Rocks etc. And I neve beleived the core groups of early BP investor tactics. But since I have friends who did invest very late in the game, and I know what they are making now. WOW! This whole BP thing is not going away. There are far to many codom traits and more and more people investing. The money keeps floating in and also back and forth between the BP people as new investors take part of their profits and invest more. Why shouldn't they after they see how easy it is.

Anyway, it is no secret what i am telling you. That is where the money is.

If you think about it that is where the new herpers go to invest as well. Population in our hobby is growing every year and more and more are kids/people are jumping onto the BP train.
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Very well said Rainer. I also believe trends do die trying to predict that is the hard part for sure. BP's, unfortunately make really good first snakes. Just like corns. Plenty of color and patterns to choose, and set ups are quite simple. The BP reign may last a while because they only lay 4 -8 eggs, typically. Once all the noobies realize they want to branch out to either a challenge or to snakes they used to catch/see when they were kids, the colubrid sales will go up.

I dont like the price structure of BP or westerns as a hobbiest but its just new stuff demands higher price until the big breeders have thier fill and that part of the market is saturated, then price falls. All in all, the end result will be white and yellow,brown and black snakes. I say let them bring in the new guys/gals to the hobby, we all know our collection changes all the time and we keep many different species or ssp throught out our lives. So some will want to try their luck at colubrids someday.
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Jimmy Tintle

When i said i don't care for Ball Pythons I meant it. So beleive me I am on everyones side on this.

But there is just to much money and to many new morphs being produced each..month...week....day. Codoms are very fast to make your investment back and all you need is one male codom and a rack of $35.-$50 adult females. Too many people jump on this and so money goes to them.

You also have to rememeber that a $1000-$3000. colubrid is really peanuts to a Ball python investor. That is not considered serious money. Thats called play money. So a $2000. colubrid is not considered expensive when compared to $7000-$35,000 BP's. And that is just the mid range BP's. Then you have the high range BP's.
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When i said i don't care for Ball Pythons, I meant it. So beleive me, I am on everyones side on this.

But there is just to much money and to many new morphs being produced each..month...week....day...hour (lol!). Codoms are very fast to make investment back and all you need is one male codom and a rack of $35.-$50 adult females. Too many people jump on this and so almost all of the herp money money goes to the Ball Python market. herpetoculture has not died. The money people used to spend on cool locality snakes and newer colubrid recessive traits are being INVESTED rather than spent on what people like. Turns out the majority of people LIKE ball python CoDom morphs because they are like little works of art or living jeweles. Which also creates competion to have a certain new morphs (like competing with the Joneses). Look at how people are this way with cars, clothes. Or women must have the latst $4000. purse etc. The BP's just create this sort of must have the new look jeolousy ..AND it MAKES MONEY!

You also have to rememeber that a $1000-$3000. amount colubrid is really peanuts to a Ball python investor. That is not considered serious money to them. Thats called play money. So a $2000. colubrid is not considered expensive when compared to $7000-$35,000 BP's. And that is just the mid range BP's. Then you have the high range BP's.

Pet rocks are IN. Everything else is out and i don't see it changing as long as their are so many new double-triple qudruple codoms being produced. And that means it is not going to end anytime soon.
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"Pet rocks are IN. Everything else is out and i don't see it changing as long as their are so many new double-triple qudruple codoms being produced. And that means it is not going to end anytime soon.
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Oh, but it will, every trend dies look at the Tulip craze that died like a rock. It is just a matter of time, I am starting to see more and more people saying why buy a BP from you when they have the same one over there. They are still selling and will for years to come, as far as I am concerned its the new "Corn Snake". Which the later still sells and brings in noobies.

I say good for the BP breeders make the money while you can and when you are finished breeding them. Take that money and buy colubrids!
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Jimmy Tintle

Oh, but it will, every trend dies look at the Tulip craze that died like a rock. It is just a matter of time, I am starting to see more and more people saying why buy a BP from you when they have the same one over there. They are still selling and will for years to come, as far as I am concerned its the new "Corn Snake". Which the later still sells and brings in noobies.

I say good for the BP breeders make the money while you can and when you are finished breeding them. Take that money and buy colubrids!

If you read some of my posts on BP a few ears ago , it sounds almost verbatum like yours.

Now it has been a good 7 years when everybody sold their colubrids to buy BP's. And it is only getting better for them. So I was wrong then and I beleive you are wrong now. Time will tell and maybe in 5 years we can dig up this post so I can make fun of you.

PS
I hope you are right and they do die off and end up like cornsnakes.!
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I am not saying it's going to end in a year, it will eventually though. I learned my lesson on trying to pick tops and bottoms you only get burnt. I will say BP's will start to level off, once more multi-morphs are created and your end result is black, brown or white. It may take another 5-7 years due to the fact that you may only get 5-8 eggs from an individual female. You still need male and female codoms to make a super form and with some being 1 in 16 and you only have 8 eggs that's 2 years of work before you produce one of the multi - morphs.

Laugh all you want, I just won't say a specific year because I don't follow what is being produced and all genetics of BP's. Heck I get confused with corn and floridana morphs. I will stick with some of the single forms of genetic mutations. (Amel,Anery,Hypo) LoL

I look at all the noobies collecting BP morphs. Good, I say! That is more people in the hobby at our disposal to sell and convert to colubrids! Now all I have to do is come up with the late night Info-mercial sales line... Any ideas?
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Jimmy Tintle

I don't think you have been paying attention to the BP morphs.

There are many pretty ones and they are very unique.

It also does not take long to raise one up to breed. The top BP uys just want you to think that.
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You are right I haven't been following them, they don't excite me. There are some nice ones I'm sure. Just not for me. Still need to find that Info-mercial sales pitch to switch these guys to colubrids.

If 2K is pocket change for them, then they should have some extra just to take riskier colubrid investments. Hahaha!
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Jimmy Tintle

yeah 2K is pocket lint to BP owners.

Kinda like if I bought you a coffee at Starbucks.
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Haha!!!!! Thanks for the chuckle..... Except I hate Starbucks coffee.... I am cheap, 7-11 coffee would be just fine....
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Jimmy Tintle

>>Haha!!!!! Thanks for the chuckle..... Except I hate Starbucks coffee.... I am cheap, 7-11 coffee would be just fine....

Cheap is such a harsh word.....Use Frugal instead......LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>You are right I haven't been following them, they don't excite me. There are some nice ones I'm sure. Just not for me. Still need to find that Info-mercial sales pitch to switch these guys to colubrids.
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>>If 2K is pocket change for them, then they should have some extra just to take riskier colubrid investments. Hahaha!

Yeah....but it takes a true snake keeper to propagate alot of kingsnakes.....Any newbie can breed BPs...there a cinch....I guess that is one of the reasons they are so popular.....There even easier than Floridana to breed IMHO....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That sounds like a great Ideah! i hear they even have a forum dedicated to them also. Good luck, see ya!
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Jorge Sierra

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I take it Sterling is doing great since he sold off his zonata and got on the BP band wagon?

I guess I will have to move out of Corpus Christi so I can get some Pythons.........I don't think so....at least not any time soon.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

C'mon John, CBCB needs some BP morphs to be selling. Hahahaha! I agree with you though colubrids are my cup tea also. I know I won't get rich and that's a fact. Unless I find some webbi here in FL.LOL
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Jimmy Tintle

>>C'mon John, CBCB needs some BP morphs to be selling. Hahahaha! I agree with you though colubrids are my cup tea also. I know I won't get rich and that's a fact. Unless I find some webbi here in FL.LOL

Plus there is a city ordinance against ALL boas, pythons and monitor lizards in Corpus Christi, TX........

I'll have to move and then I can shell out the life savings on some pet rocks......LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Plus there is a city ordinance against ALL boas, pythons and monitor lizards in Corpus Christi, TX........

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDIN MAN?

Seems like you are not and are serious. I thought Texas was the last stronghold for the Amercan way and freedom and all that garbage that doesn't exist any more.

Evertime i hear sh!t like this i think of all those poor bloks who gave their lives in battle during the second world war. I bet they never thought those baby boomers would completly ruin everything they fought and gave their lives for.
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>>Plus there is a city ordinance against ALL boas, pythons and monitor lizards in Corpus Christi, TX........
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>>YOU GOTTA BE KIDDIN MAN?
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>>Seems like you are not and are serious. I thought Texas was the last stronghold for the Amercan way and freedom and all that garbage that doesn't exist any more.

The state is FINE with the animals.
It is a CITY ordinance......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

The state is FINE with the animals.
It is a CITY ordinance......

I understand that. And THAT city is in Texas.

I don't know about you. But i would be camping out at the city council office , handing out fliers. I would go on a rampage and then sue the city.
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It only take one fervent person with an agenda to change the laws. That is how we get most of our ridiculous, immoral and unconstitutional laws anyway.

The rest of people are like sheep.
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>>It only take one fervent person with an agenda to change the laws. That is how we get most of our ridiculous, immoral and unconstitutional laws anyway.
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>>The rest of people are like sheep.

I agree...but I have no agenda....
Maybe the people in our city that WANT to keep those types of animals should stand up for their RIGHTS....

I didn't fight the city ordinance to ban smoking in bars cuz I don't smoke and never will......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

See thats the problem, you let them take that RIGHT away. With no opposition. I dont do drugs but if someone wants to its their right to do so. Dog and cat owners may not like snakes, but they need to watch what big brother does to us. It will affect them in the long run. Any way I will leave this to a political forum, cheers!
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Jimmy Tintle

Keeping snakes in a PRIVATE residence is much different than smoking in public. Non-smokers actually have a right to breathe clean air. Smoking is a privilege granted by law.
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

"Keeping snakes in a PRIVATE residence is much different than smoking in public. Non-smokers actually have a right to breathe clean air. Smoking is a privilege granted by law."

Smokers and Non smokers have the right to do whatever they choose, and so should the business owners of the bars and restuarants. Smoking is not a priviledge granted by law. It's called freedom.

See, people vote for laws that they FEEL is important to them. We don't say the Pledge of Allegance in schools because it offends someone. Well sorry if it offends you but I live in America! The Land of the Free and our kids have the right and priviledge to say it if they choose.

Keeping reptiles or snakes in your house, on your property is your right! No one should ever say anything against it. It's your personal choice.

If we keep letting laws be written against personal freedoms they will take all of them away. You will live basically under Martial Law and be controlled by the Government.
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Jimmy Tintle

But "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qzPT4GFA2YY

Best youtube vid I have seen in a while.
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Nice One Rainer! Haven't seen that one, I will for sure pass that along.
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Jimmy Tintle

I'm pretty sure there is a legal age to smoke...not a right. Same goes for drinking, driving, etc. They are a privilege the government can make illegal at any time. During the 20s the govt took away the privilege of drinking alcohol. We think they are our rights but the government says otherwise. More and more of our "freedom" is taken every day.
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

In the sense of what you are saying, then the "right to vote" is actually a priviledge. Since the government can take that so called right away at any time.

I won't go any further as it's the Kingsnake forum and don't want to bore to many. You are right that our freedoms (rights) are taken away slowly at the hands of the government(Mass Man).Which the American people let happen. People have know clue and will rather watch X-Factor or worry about the Jersey Shore, rather than read and understand the Constitution,Bill of Rights,Letter of Marque and Reprisal,Habeas Corpus,etc.....Just my honest opinion.
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Jimmy Tintle

So very true...I am disgusted with the things I see everyday. It is today's culture we live in. The media, the politicians, the Hollywood Elite and entertainment industry, and the culture as a whole, are on a constant (and successful) mission of convincing us of what we "need" to believe, buy, tolerate, and accept...the masses are like lambs to the slaughter. America is becoming a nation of degenerate idiots, with no common sense or integrity; without the ability to think as individuals.

>>So very true...I am disgusted with the things I see everyday. It is today's culture we live in. The media, the politicians, the Hollywood Elite and entertainment industry, and the culture as a whole, are on a constant (and successful) mission of convincing us of what we "need" to believe, buy, tolerate, and accept...the masses are like lambs to the slaughter. America is becoming a nation of degenerate idiots, with no common sense or integrity; without the ability to think as individuals.

WOW....you just described DEMOCRATS........lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

The Family Unit, is the most important thing in America. It is the cornerstone of society. When It breaks down, all else follows. The most important thing a man can be, is a providing, faithful, protective, caring and LEADING husband, and a guiding, and INVOLVED, father. When men do this, THEY, are their teenager's role model and super star - NOT Jay Z and Lady Gaga.

Wisdom is Justified by Her children.

>>The Family Unit, is the most important thing in America. It is the cornerstone of society. When It breaks down, all else follows. The most important thing a man can be, is a providing, faithful, protective, caring and LEADING husband, and a guiding, and INVOLVED, father. When men do this, THEY, are their teenager's role model and super star - NOT Jay Z and Lady Gaga.

Man that is THE KEY brotha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And not relying on government help as many do.......
Work for a living and provide for your family.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

And not relying on government help as many do.......
Work for a living and provide for your family.......

Man, you hit a huge nerve here with me. I totally agree!

I beleive a lot of our problems would be solved if government would pull out all their help and everybody would be responsible to provide for their OWN families. It's either that or they would not eat. A basic biblical principle to.

Instead those that work hard today and are successful have to pay more taxes to support those that didn't sacrifice themselves to be where they are today.
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Brandon,
We agree on something. Just figures it has to be something so negative. LOL!
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Rainer, I think we actually agree on quite a bit. I'll add to the "investment" post when I get to a computer. You are totally right on that topic!
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

I like some of the lampro morphs. I just don't like it when they crowd out normals and locality specifics. I think people should just be aware of the potential to lose species, subspecies and varieties from the hobby. Regulations are getting more oppressive. Some things can no longer be collected from the wild already, like all Mexican herps. Georgia snakes are another example of stuff that can no longer be collected. Utah pyros, Utah milks, Colorado milks; there is a host of stuff that cannot be collected or at least cannot be commercially collected anymore. Other stuff is protected at the state level and only out of staters can commercially breed them. North America is home to some awesome snakes that, I think, are under appreciated. I even like to see people working with generic snakes that typify the species/subspecies they represent. To me a "perfect" normal is much more desireable than an "oddball" with extra wide stripes or whatever.
Any morphs or super selectively bred appearance stuff, I have I always have normals of too.
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" To me a "perfect" normal is much more desireable than an "oddball" with extra wide stripes or whatever. "

I feel the exact same way!
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>>I like some of the lampro morphs. I just don't like it when they crowd out normals and locality specifics. I think people should just be aware of the potential to lose species, subspecies and varieties from the hobby. Regulations are getting more oppressive. Some things can no longer be collected from the wild already, like all Mexican herps. Georgia snakes are another example of stuff that can no longer be collected. Utah pyros, Utah milks, Colorado milks; there is a host of stuff that cannot be collected or at least cannot be commercially collected anymore. Other stuff is protected at the state level and only out of staters can commercially breed them. North America is home to some awesome snakes that, I think, are under appreciated. I even like to see people working with generic snakes that typify the species/subspecies they represent. To me a "perfect" normal is much more desireable than an "oddball" with extra wide stripes or whatever.
>>Any morphs or super selectively bred appearance stuff, I have I always have normals of too.

Me too!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

IMO, hard question to answer, as one answer for one person may not be any sort of absolute for possibly many other's opinions.

It's all relative.
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Genesis 1:1

>>IMO, hard question to answer, as one answer for one person may not be any sort of absolute for possibly many other's opinions.
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>>It's all relative.

I agree.......
I wanted to hear opinions and so far I only agree with Webbi .........if that'll ever be a realistic possibility.........

I really dig classic and locality kings the best............but I don't consider them the next big thing........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

John, that is what it is. I really think the whole kingsnake/milksnake community knows that everything comes and goes. It is all a supply and demand issue, the demand is strong for pet rocks. The supply is low, which causes the price structure of their market. Plus a little price fixing, but give it time and some people will get burnt. And prices will drop and people will look for another trend to follow.

I really dont care what the next best thing is, just as long as it is in the lampropeltis genre. It should be another ssp.( like webbi or however the classify it next time around) that is not kept by anyone. Or could we get L.t.smithi, dixoni, or maybe even microphilis in the states first. For the days of 10k lampropeltis might not ever come around. I actually like the state the king/milk market is at. I can actually afford some stuff that I could never have afforded in the early 90's.

To answer your question I think Cal kings may see another healthy rise to the top of the king market. Lots of color and pattern choices. Also easy to keep for noobies. I think thats why corn sales are always decent year on year. Thats my choice even though I dont keep them except for a pair that my daughters take care of.
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Jimmy Tintle

Yep....those triangulum are certainly on a lot of folk's wish list......and I, too believe Cali kings are on the rise again..........

And I don't think we will see very many colubrids over $2K anymore....

So someone tell me how those BP guys price those things?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

It seems like that locality snakes are totally getting very popular now in the hobby, which is something I am very for. Nothing beats a wild type specimen of king/milksnake with some sort of "wild" background--a very cool part of the hobby that directly correlates with field herping, my number one snake related passion.

As for the next big thing, those anery splendidas are HOT! I'm not a morph guy at all, but damn!

Any new news on webbi? Very interesting Lampro...

>>It seems like that locality snakes are totally getting very popular now in the hobby, which is something I am very for. Nothing beats a wild type specimen of king/milksnake with some sort of "wild" background--a very cool part of the hobby that directly correlates with field herping, my number one snake related passion.
>>As for the next big thing, those anery splendidas are HOT! I'm not a morph guy at all, but damn!
>>Any new news on webbi? Very interesting Lampro...

Locality snakes have always been popular......come out to West Texas one Summer.....lol
Alterna heads have been locality nuts for about half a century.......

The newer locality thing seems to be zonata and californiae........

Axanthic Splendida are cool morphs......I wanna see a ghost though.....
And a lavender white wall holbrooki will be a neat looking double homozygote.

All I've heard on the webbi has been rumors, but they may be a reality in the hobby one day.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Oh, don't get me wrong, I know how crazy those alterna people are haha! I meant locality in terms of zonata, etc, as you said.

Those axantic splendida are just beautiful, IMO. Do you happen to know any history behind them?

Webbi is very interesting. From what I have read and seen online, I think people are debating if it is indeed an individual species, or a "phase" or ssp of mexicana (I could be completely wrong, maybe didn't read into it too well). Naherp.com has it listed as "no longer recognized" as a species.

Giant madagascan Hognose! If I can just get them to breed, lol. But really any snake that sells fairly quickly and goes for 1 to 3 hundred a baby can be considered a good investment. Not gonna quit my job, but it can be rewarding. Anery Alterna are still in demand and very hard to find! There are many little niches, that can make some money. Maybe the key is having a little of everything so your bound to appeal to some one, looking for a pet snake, or a snake project.
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Jorge Sierra

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Jorge, I would agree with you on a little of everything, but that requires a pretty big collection. I like many of us keep what we like not what sells best. I would tend to keep my collection and fine tune my main projects. My collection is mostly triangulum but I like aberrant patterns the most. Thats what I like, but I try to get aberrant hets just so I can offer a wider range to a larger audience.

I also think a colubrid downfall is most all of our morphs are simple recessive, so that means 3 years to breed which equals more heat more food more dedication. That my friend does not equal quick return on investment. BP morphs are mostly codom and can produce offspring in first breeding. Quick turn around on investment. The only thing I cant grasp is, one scale off color and its a new morph. Just dont see it. But then again I dont like to study the differences either. I guess I was cursed when you could practically get BP for 5 bucks and pray they would eat. Lol

I think your alterna statement is very true as I myself have been trying to find anery and hypo for 2 dang years already.
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Jimmy Tintle

Well, maybe a little of everything was too broad of a statement. I think Variety is a better description. As many of us like yourself, John, Doug and many others already do. Your right about the codom thing, but it may also speed up the downfall, who knows? I can see myself possibly getting a pair or two of the lower end morph BP's. I used to keep them as well when they were trash snakes, but that was because the darn things would rather starve than eat. I guess captive breeding has helped that side of it a bit? Having said that if I save up 300 bucks it's hard to pick an albino BP over some red milks! I guess it's not in my blood?
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Jorge Sierra

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The basics. Nice non-morph, het for nothing not too line bred classic phenotypes. Wow! it was a nice dream but I'm awake now.
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>>The basics. Nice non-morph, het for nothing not too line bred classic phenotypes. Wow! it was a nice dream but I'm awake now.

I wish too....I have a ton of those already....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

The problem with cal kings is that they aren't appealing to the eye (only 2 colors basically). So it is hard to produce something that is all that different.

Okay, so I produced the first Albino ghost a few years ago... they look like Blizzards.

Okay, so I produced the first Hypo Ghost a couple of years ago....they are different for sure. So I like them and noboday has them.

Okay, this year I produced the first Lavender Ghost.....and they are different for sure. So I like them and nobody has them.

Rare....yes; $$.... well I will stick to taxidermy. Can't get rich off snakes that will bring you a couple hundred dollars each on small clutches.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Multi-gene homozygot Floridana. DUH! Did you really even need to ask, John? What else is there?

Micah,
John already knows the multi gene florida that are about to come out are the next big thing. I just don't think it was nice to rub his face in it.

Have you been to his website? He does not have one single Floridana. Kinda leaves one limp and dry when visiting there.
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>>Micah,
>>John already knows the multi gene florida that are about to come out are the next big thing. I just don't think it was nice to rub his face in it.
>>Have you been to his website? He does not have one single Floridana. Kinda leaves one limp and dry when visiting there.

LMAO!!!!!!
I guess I need to come back to the Dark Side and get some Floridana again, huh?
Hell...I hear the female can be downwind of the male and lay good eggs......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

LOL.....
About 7 people are selling them and that's it......
Not a big thing in my book...hehehe

But some are gorgeous animals for sure!

Hardly any at all were for sale at the Daytona show....I wonder why......

It seems the bulk of Floridana breeders are right here on this forum and there aren't that many more.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

" It seems the bulk of Floridana breeders are right here on this forum and there aren't that many more......."

You would be surprised actually. There are more breeders of Floridana that don't post on here than one might think at first, and have/had been breeding them for years and years. Also, the past Daytona may not have had much, but in years past, there has been tons being sold.
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Genesis 1:1

>>" It seems the bulk of Floridana breeders are right here on this forum and there aren't that many more......."
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>>You would be surprised actually. There are more breeders of Floridana that don't post on here than one might think at first, and have/had been breeding them for years and years. Also, the past Daytona may not have had much, but in years past, there has been tons being sold.

I've only been to Daytona 5 times and the best Floridana year was the last year Rainer sold them in my eyes........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Been to Daytona 11 times, and have seen tons of Floridana each year, maybe some more than others, as some years certain things may vary. I know 3 Floridana breeders off the top of my head that have been doing it for a long time that never post on this forum.

But it is like that on other forums. The forums actually do not represent hardly at all, the amount of breeders ACTUALLY breeding snakes, it is representing those who actually spend the the time to post on the forums.
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Genesis 1:1

Yes...I am well aware that the 20 posters here are NOT the bulk of king snake breeders......LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Oh really? Only a few others? oooahahahahahaha! Music to my ears. ooooahahaha!

>>Oh really? Only a few others? oooahahahahahaha! Music to my ears. ooooahahaha!

"One Million Floridana Breeders....."
That's not that much......
Too funny Mcreedy.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I did see a ton of adult Breeders at Gourmet Rodents table in Tampa....Sweet Deal too.... $30.00 -$50.00 each for adult hypos and some hets. No multi - hets or multi-homozygot
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Jimmy Tintle

>>I did see a ton of adult Breeders at Gourmet Rodents table in Tampa....Sweet Deal too.... $30.00 -$50.00 each for adult hypos and some hets. No multi - hets or multi-homozygot

So......How many did YOU get Jimmy?......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

0 , none, nothing, zero. Dont like them except for Sulfur lavenders. Babies are awesome but dont like most of the adults. MHO.
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Well first Daytona sucks. It does not draw true herpetoculurists from all over the nation like it used to. So what you have now are newbies with tables selling egenirc milks and kings and pet shop people walking through. Kinda like all the other shows , expect more people. Oh ya, and Ball pythons. Which there are a couple dozen tables full.

Scond there are a lot of people working with multi gene Floridana. Thing is, the whole multi gene thing is so new. You don't see many of these breeders yet simply because they animals have not produced yet. What you see here posted ,by us, are some pretty new morphs. Avaliabilty is slim to none.
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Boy...I knew I would strike some nerves there....LOL
They still AREN'T the next big thing but they are downright cool kingsnakes with lots of potential........Not BP potential apparently......hehehe
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Not BP potential apparently......hehehe

herpetoculture will never see anything like what happened with the ball Pythons ever again.

But anything is possible. We saw the great American dream crash when the housing market fell. Maybe we will see forcleosed Ball pythons for sale on the classifieds soon.
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I almost forgot about the Palmetto Corn! It is the next thing right now! There is such a demand already started for these gorgeous babies that only females will be sold, and they are at a pre-paid 4 grand! If I had that kind of money I would definately get one. The possibilities are endless, and they are spectacular, and have all the Corn people drooling and waiting in line! It is a wild recessive trait to boot!
palmetto Corn

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Yes....and Mr. Soderberg is a SMART man for doing it this way....

But $4000 for a corn is chump change for those BP folks.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>Yes....and Mr. Soderberg is a SMART man for doing it this way....
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>>But $4000 for a corn is chump change for those BP folks.....lol
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>>John Lassiter
>>Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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True, but I think those guys sell back and fourth to each other?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

>>>>Yes....and Mr. Soderberg is a SMART man for doing it this way....
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>>>>But $4000 for a corn is chump change for those BP folks.....lol

Not with the Palmetto...it was just Don and another guy....

The Tessera is a different story that involved 3 or more folks that I know of......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

And if you were referring to the BP folks....You are correct!.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>And if you were referring to the BP folks....You are correct!.....lol
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>>John Lassiter
>>Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Yeah that's what I meant, lol.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Everybody watch ,listen and learn from the master. Mr. Don Soderburg.

I have been watching that corn for a while. Don is defently doing it right. And he will get the $$ and KEEP up the market price so that people investing won't lose the value.

I wish i was into corns after seeing that morph. That thing is crazy awesome.
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>>Everybody watch ,listen and learn from the master. Mr. Don Soderburg.
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>>I have been watching that corn for a while. Don is defently doing it right. And he will get the $$ and KEEP up the market price so that people investing won't lose the value.
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>>I wish i was into corns after seeing that morph. That thing is crazy awesome.

Found by a lady in her chicken coop........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Found by a lady in her chicken coop........

That's fowl.
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HARDEE-HAR-HAR! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I have been watching that corn for a while."

I've been watching it before you, lol.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

That is insanely attractive.

If only high-white Cal kings could have little red speckles like that, or even just the muted gray head pattern. Since they don't they are $40.