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I wanted to add to this thread the other day but haven't been able to get to my computer til now. I'm sure some/most will not agree with my opinion.

I have to side with the ball python argument. They are not going away for a LONG time. We all said the ball market was crashing 5 years ago, yet more and more people are buying them up and selling everything else in their collections. Yes there are those that are selling their ball collections as well, but in my opinion that is due to poor planning.

I bred balls back in the early 90s when normals were $100 each for captive bred.....imports were still $8-10. I got back into them around 2003 with a pair of het Pieds I paid $4k for. That was a great deal for them at the time. Well their first year of production was in 2005 and my female laid 9 eggs......4 Pieds in the clutch. I held back 1.1 and sold the other two for $4K each. That is already a $12k gain. The next season she laid 8 more eggs and guess what.....4 more Pieds. I think they were down to $3500 then and I sold two and traded two for an unusual Pewter female.

Jump forward 2 years and my Pewter is up to size. I decided to go with Pewter for a project/goal.....Pewter Pied.
Female and first in the world.

Male from a second clutch....breeding now.

I have held back many offspring from this project and have very little investment other than time and food. I have not purchased a ball python out of pocket since my original het pieds, yet I have lots of pied, pastel het pieds, pewter het pieds, pewter pieds, super pewter pos het pieds.....see my point?

The key to the ball game is to either invest large or produce something new. I'm working on proving out my "urban camo" male to two different girls this season. We hatched out a second one this year and hope to see positive results when breeding the 2010 male back to his mom and some het pied girls. If he proves out it will be the third time we have produced a new morph.

There is a reason you seen a ton of balls at the shows.....they are selling and gaining popularity every day. Here are a few more I've produced over the last few years....

"Urban Camo" Super Pewter pos. het Pied.

Pewter het Pied

Super Pastel pos. het Pied
When Supers were selling for $500 this one sold for double.

The two "urban camos" together.

Some ODD Sterlings pos. het Pied.

Striped? Super Pewter

And just to keep the thread kingsnake worthy one of my kings....

Keep what makes you happy and you'll have no problems.
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

I remember when you got into ball pythons, I figured you knew something I didn't. It was something I did not want to do. I tried a bunch of different animals and ended up doing the things I could do well. BP's were not on that list, lol. I am glad that you enjoy them and get something out of it too. If I remember correctly, you built your own cages? Even better.
You bring up a good point,that the different morphs have value, even if it isn't always cash up front. It seems that you have traded for the things that you wanted w/o breaking the bank. I found that trade is not an easy skill to develop but once it is, can make cash flow somewhat irrelevant.

A couple of Q's....

-are you still doing gtp's?
-how's the band?
-how's family?

oh and a king to keep it relevant

peace daveb

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Hey Dave! I'm not so sure I got into them because of any kind of investment purpose, although they have generated mucho revenue. I wanted a pied since the day I saw one. Buying hets was the best way for me to achieve that goal at the time.....I couldn't afford $7-10K for an animal and still can't.

>>-are you still doing gtp's?
Still doing Chondros. I have a few pairings for this season going already. Getting ready to put a pair of possible het albinos together in a month or so.

>>-how's the band?
Band is still kicking. We changed our name due to conflicting interests with former members and for marketing purposes. Our new name is Sideshow Romance. We are in the process of writing new material now and have already nailed down a single called "Take Me Down".

>>-how's family?
Family is great. My girlfriend and I are expecting our first child next month. We are excited as can be! Right now we are just plugging away and getting ready for him.

Soooo, how have you been? What have you been up to? Any snake news?
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

keeping busy, some days it like a one legged man in an a$$ kicking contest... no complaints.

i got three little men running around here, 4,6, and 7. i have often referred to their care as "collection management" which most people don't get but this forum would, hahaha.

no snakes in the news here, but i do lurk a lot.

let us know when the big day is...
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I think the crash 5 years ago was the price crash. The snakes won't go away. When I got out of balls my pastels were $1500 each and pieds were $4000. Now they are $50 each and Pieds are $600. Same with all the other morphs. There is still a lot to be made but it is really hard to make a living with them. I worked for one of the bigger breeders before there were any morphs out there. I saw it rise and fall. The people that make money are not trying to produce the next big morph. It's in producing a lot of the most popular. Pieds and albinos in large numbers is where you can make good money.

There is a proper place to talk about this however and it's not here.

Here's a pic of a Merauke to keep this thread on topic.

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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

>>Here's a pic of a Merauke to keep this thread on topic.
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>>Gerard
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Gorgeous little king!
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gerard,
Actually it is on topic because this whole topic started with investing in kingsnakes and comparisons in the market and the how's and why's.

Brandon,
The problem is people are not going to beleive you because you are breeding and SELLING BP's . But I don't own a single BP, and I agree with you 100%. BP morphs will be around for a LONG time and they are the best investment and easitst way to make money in herpetoculture. I knwo that babies sell right out of the egg and no worries having to feed and advertise for months.

The way i see it is, people should invest in BP just to support the other snakes they want to keep. They can still make lots of money and keep whatever else that really toots their horn.

But like you siad Brandon. One has to initially invest some smart money to start into them and not expect to get return on a couple thousnad dollars original investment.

Remember, this statement comes from someone who has nothing to gain from the BP market. I wish i had the money to get into some. I don't. But that does not change the truth. Even if it hurst a little.
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>>Here's a pic of a Merauke to keep this thread on topic.

What was it last year, the "short-tailed king snake"? And now this? I hate the way taxonomists keep reclassifying additional snakes into Lampropeltis. Where's it all gonna end?

That's awesome!
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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

Brandon,

First off, WOW those are awesome! The Camos are insane! I think that this forum has a hard time grasping just how many NEW morphs there are added to the BP craze each year/every other year. There are hundreds of morphs and because of that there are thousands of combos to be done.

Yes, prices will drop on single gene morphs, but when pastels and spiders drop, make bees. When bees drop, make killerbees, etc. GHIs, Coral Glows/Bananas, Deserts, Enchis are just a FEW of the projects that are blowing up right now and there are a lot of things that people want to do with them still. There are too many projects that people have their minds set on and because of that this isn't going to stop, whether the people on this forum want it to or not.

Awesome pieds, and congrats on the project! I will be over in the BP forum looking for updates on it this year!
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Who said that that they wanted it to stop. I didn't and I think people just said they suck. It's funny how you guys can't read. You guys are the perfect kind of people to be into them to help the people that actually make money on them.

Rainer, it has nothing to do with believing anyone. I just said that I got the same money for my pieds as he did. Now they are $600. What does starting a new thread only about ball pythons have to do with kingsnakes?

Patternless Emerald Tree Boa to keep it on topic

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Gerard

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I never said that BP RECESSIVE TRAITS were a great investment. i always referred to the codom traits.

But who knows. maybe the codoms combined with the recessives is good to. just a lot longer project and wait to make any money back.
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>>I never said that BP RECESSIVE TRAITS were a great investment. i always referred to the codom traits.
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>>But who knows. maybe the codoms combined with the recessives is good to. just a lot longer project and wait to make any money back.

Actually, the recessives tend to hold value much longer. When you combine the co-doms with recessives it's a home run.
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

That Urban Camo is neat looking. I like some of the wilder looking morphs, and the Pieds have always caught mt attention, it's just many other morphs look so similar, that it's hard for me anyway to tell them apart. But then I guess we have the same problem with some of the Florida kings too, huh? If I had a few grand to invest right now it would go to the Palmetto Corn. That gene will open endless possibilities when combined with everything else that's out there.
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Those urban camos are freaking smokin!

Maybe I will get some BPs one day and let someone else breed them for me so I can be legal without moving.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Maybe I will get some BPs one day and let someone else breed them for me so I can be legal without moving.......

Oh ME ME ME! I WILL I WILL!

Like i stated before. i wish i could get into them some how.
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Is it not legal to breed ball pythons in Texas?

I am somewhat surprised they are so popular, as I hear constantly about them being fussy feeders, not a good beginner's snake.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

>>Is it not legal to breed ball pythons in Texas?
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>>I am somewhat surprised they are so popular, as I hear constantly about them being fussy feeders, not a good beginner's snake.

No, Texas has no problem with it.....Corpus Christi has a silly city ordinance against all pythons, boas and monitors but folks still do it.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Your urban camos are a trip! I can't keep ball pythons because of heating expense, otherwise I'd have one or two. I personally like the plain old original ones the best.

This should be the next big thing! Pits are not appreciated enough, in my humble opinion.
Just to stay on topic about king snakes, this should be the next big thing!

A high white baby pyro. Hope to obtain some of these next year.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

>>this should be the next big thing! (pyros)

Pyros might not be the next big thing, but they are certainly an animal that doesn't get the attention I think it warrants. Normals are as beautiful a North American snake as you can find; Sentz hypos are incredible; there are amels, at least two different hypos, and hypoerythristics. (plus pattern morphs, which i don't find particularly interesting, but that's just me).

Some pyros can be hard to start, but if there were more interest in them there'd be people innovating with lizard-scenting chemicals or composts (right word?) to help with the hard ones. Most of them are easy. They'll breed at two, three's easy, they'll double clutch, etc. And while they'll sometimes grow to four feet our more, most adults can be housed in a lot less space than getula or (whatever Elaphe is called now).

I speak from considerable experience. But to discount any bias, i do not own any at this time (not by choice but due to travel limitations--had to dispose of my Hondo and pyro collection)

Maybe I'll throw a few pix up here.

td

Making the case for pyros:

normals...

"sentz" hypo

"pale hypo" and normal

amel

"applegate special" top and bottom; hypoerythristic middle

hypoerythristic and normal

pale hypo and normal

Those pale hypos are cool. Is there any hybinos yet?
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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

Wouldn't it be nice to find just a plain pure het for nothing pyro? I really like the natural form much better. There is nothing as pretty as a wild type pyro.
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>>Wouldn't it be nice to find just a plain pure het for nothing pyro? I really like the natural form much better. There is nothing as pretty as a wild type pyro.
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As I said in my post asserting pyros could (should?) be the next big thing, " Normals are as beautiful a North American snake as you can find..." So obviously I agree.

As I said in my post asserting pyros could (should?) be the next big thing, " Normals are as beautiful a North American snake as you can find..." So obviously I agree.

Have you ever "found " one yourself?

or do you just buy them at the store?
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pale hypo and normal

normal, "sentz" hypo, "barczyk" hypo

pale hypo

amel and normal

I agree Pyros have much potential with no known double homozygote except maybe that hybino that Jeff Teel has........

I have 1.1 Definite Het Sentz Hypo and possible het hypoerythristics from Jeff.......

Then I have 1.1 high white pyros from Chris Baubel's line and an Applegate Special female and a Het male Applegate.......

I hope to produce some Sentz hypos and possibly a hypo-e.......
But a Sentz Hypo / hypo-e would be killer.....fingers crossed.....

I also have 1.1 high black pyros that I would love to see as Sentz line hypos one day......

What about an Applegate Sentz Hypo or an Applegate Hypo-e that is also Sentz Hypo? Fun, never seen before Pyros are on our horizon.........I hope to see some hatch over here one day....maybe next year if all goes well.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I agree Pyros have much potential with no known double homozygote except maybe that hybino that Jeff Teel has........

What about an Applegate Sentz Hypo or an Applegate Hypo-e that is also Sentz Hypo? Fun, never seen before Pyros are on our horizon.........I hope to see some hatch over here one day....maybe next year if all goes well.....

UHhh! Excuse me... But these forum members only like the natural form of what comes out of the wild. All these morphs are a real turn off for them.
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That's not true. It's only the floridana!
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Gerard

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That's not true. It's only the floridana!

You mean nobody wants a het for nothing Hognose or gopher snake?

Damn Jassiter and his agenda against Florida kings!
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This is where jassiter posts a 10 year old pic of a florida king he once owned and says "see I like Florida kings" "I have nothing against the" " I owned one once" ..LMAO!
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Hahaha!!! So what's the next homo combo you and Jeremy are going to make together into the "next big thing"? Isn't there anything new you guys have in the works that hasn't been seen yet? I have to know! Please tell me!!!
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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

Not sure what Rainer is cookin up, but I just picked up these two females this weekend at the west palm show!

Hope you like em, just stayin on topic

Bee Female and Gargoyle Female

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Jeremy Thompson
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Nice pickup jeremy.
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Thanks! I plan on mixing mojave, het red, or lesser into that gargoyle, it's gonna be awesome!
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Jeremy Thompson
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your smart.

Everyone else here on this forum is the opposite.
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Really smart, That stuff has been thought of and has already been done. Rainer, you should sell off those thousands of floridana you have and by one.
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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

WRONG lol, man you need to study up on your BPs! Come check out my collection and ill show you how many new combos I can make! A mojo het red was first produced this season, many triple and quad combos till to be had!

Also, if you wanna buy me a mojo het red, I will have some killer stuff to show you next year! A male please
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Jeremy Thompson
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I would love to get you the balls you and Rainer wish you guys had but I'm saving up to buy one of those Ghost PB kings that you have for sale still.
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Gerard

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Isn't he badass! Just snapped an updated pic for yah! And let me know when you pick me up some BPs, I'll send you some of my thayeri x Corn x Woma Pythons for cobra food in trade! I know you will want me to send some FLs or BPs as food in trade... but I have big plans for them so that won't work, sorry bro!

Also, I'm flattered that you look at my ads! Some cool stuff for sure!

Here he isssssss!

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Jeremy Thompson
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That thing is nice. I can't wait until they are cheaper and the demand goes down so there are some actually available. Kevin has a new Bo coming out? Cool, but I will have a copy coming already. You should buy Rainer one he said he's hurting right now.

Those hognose of yours are cool. That's the one smart thing you have going.

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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

Well study up, then when I post some more breeding projects you can understand what is goin on! Geeze man get with it!
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Jeremy Thompson
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Dude, I lost more valuable ball pythons then you will ever make. Sad thing is now they are $50 bucks. They were worth a house when I did them. I see stuff every week that you won't see for years. Some of the stuff is cool looking but boring. Keep on keeping on dude. That's how my friends make money. Email me what you really like. I will get you some crazy prices.
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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

Funny how you put a cap on what I will produce. Im 20 and have MANY more years ahead of me. How arrogant lol. I have some sweet new posts comin for you in the next few days, be watchin!!!!
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Jeremy Thompson
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I'm only a couple years older bud. It's not about what you can do. It is about what they are worth and being realistic. I was younger than you when I had my whole BP collection stolen. I had the original Yellow Bellys. I had Ivorys due to hatch a month after Dan hatched his. I rebuilt it and had even cooler stuff. I sold them all before the price crash and I can't complain about it back then. I use to eat, sleep and breath ball pythons. Then go home and eat, sleep and breath my ball pythons. I'm sorry if I made you sad. I hope you do something that makes you happy.
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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

How can you say it all crashed when there are Coral Glow combos selling for over 50k???? lol
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Jeremy Thompson
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Jeremy, I hope you spend that much on some. It's good for my friends. Enjoy! Post some pics when you get something new I haven't seen. Post some more kings too. Don't give up...
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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

You're such a downer lol, go sulk by yourself, you will never do anything good, reach your goals, be happy lol. what a horrible way to live life. I am happy with what I have, excited for the future, and could care less if I make a penny on snakes as long as they support themselves. that's why I am in college, so that I DO NOT have to depend on snakes for money. Right now they are helping put me through school, YES those very florida king ads that you have bashed. They ARE selling, and me going through college right now is proof. So thanks anyways but your points are not valid at all for me. The BP market is booming like crazy and the yellowbellies that you had are now replaced by much nicer morphs that fetch big money. I would rather have a coral glow than an ivory based on looks alone... ANY DAY
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Jeremy Thompson
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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it was crossing the road and got hit1 Awe, poor little snake.
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"it was crossing the road and got hit! Awe, poor little snake"

Yeah, and only by the rear tires ..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Jeremy,
Do you know why you can't argue with Dumabsss?

BECAUSE HE IS A DUMBASS!

He doesn't know what he is talking about on Floridas or BP morphs. Why? Because he is a dumbass.

Thats' why.
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What won't I do? I am already doing it. How am I unhappy? Lol! That's the best part of the whole thread. You keep on buying those BP's and floridana. I don't have a problem with them. I just don't like them. You guys have a reading problem. Check out my first post to Brandon. I never said anything bad about balls. You guys seem to think you have to defend them. You don't seem to be to confident about them. Rainer doesn't even know anything about balls. Ha! He just feels the need to protect you. That's cool! Jeremy, I don't have a single problem with you, I just responded to the post about balls being the next big thing. You are like 14 years late on that. Good luck with them. Thanks for supporting my friends.

keeping it on topic

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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

I don't even need to romo shop this picture. LOL! It speaks for itself.

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I bet you guys don't even know what romo shop even means! LOL!
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that I have a lot of fun. Let me know when you want to do that. I will take you offshore.

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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

Yea it is too bad I wasnt making thousands of dollars on snakes when I was 6... man there is a lot I can do about that lol!
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Jeremy Thompson
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Yeah, I feel ya. That's what I mean about the crash though. It use to be a lot more for a lot less.
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Gerard

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I don't know how you can call it a crash. Prices have gone down due to new double triple and quad combos just like any natural progression in a snake market. A crash would indicate that the whole market has snakes worth nothing. If coral glows, ghis, deserts, desert ghosts,etc can still fetch 5-60 grand a piece... and those are single gene morphs... you are foolish for calling it a crash just because your yellowbellies have lowered in value.

Can you call the market on a 2001 car crashed if it fetches much less than the price when you first bought it ten years ago? NO. The car has been out for ten years so the price goes down on it. New cars are made with different features and a different look and those take the high prices in place of the old cars.

Coral Glows etc are the new cars. Your "crashed" prices on yellowbellies, spiders, pins, pieds so on son are not CRASHED... THEY ARE OLD just like the old cars.

Geeze man you say you're experienced but this is such a novice concept. You can say the market on hondurans CRASHED because NO hondurans fetch big money anymore. The opposite is true with BPs.
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Jeremy Thompson
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You don't understand. The yellow bellys were an example. There were all the morphs you see now that were just sitting there waiting to be found. You are doing the same thing with the floridana. Nothing new, just mixing other people's morphs and hoping it comes out cool. You said yourself that you don't care if you make money. That's the right attitude to have. I care about making money and I love the animals I do it with. That's the difference. When I couldn't make the money as easy as I did for the years right after it stared I sold them. I started working with stuff that I love and I make more money than 95% of the people working with balls. That's why I said you CAN make money with them they WERE the next BIG thing BACK then. Now they are the if you get lucky or make a bunch of certain things. So yes, that's a crash. The next big thing seems like it should be something new, don't you think? So go ahead and mix stuff up. I'm sure you will make something cool. Just remember, stay in school. I think the western hogs are a "newer big thing than the balls". So, enjoy them but your not doing anything new that 10000 other people are thinking of too. Enjoy! By the way, I really do like that PB ghost. I wouldn't feed that to anything if you want me to raise it for you...

Pied Mississippi Map Turtle

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Gerard

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LOL i am talking to a wall. Forget it man. I will make money with BPs and I can't wait! I will make new combos that other's have not and i can't wait! Too many people are content with producing what others have already produced... I am not. THAT is the difference! Two new ones coming in tomorrow... can't wait to see em!

Nice turtle too
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Jeremy Thompson
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Thanks, I'm glad you have that attitude. That's how the whole thing started. I'm sure you will make something cool. I still like the Banana stuff. My partner with some of the turtles/frogs bought the whole group from Will. That is a cool morph, for a ball.

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Gerard

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GONE FISHING!!!

This thread is beginning to bug me.

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"apple lost jobs..." hahahahahahaha!!!!! It bugged me from the first ball python.

My pumpkin from last year to keep it on topic.

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Gerard

"I am the one that hides the universal secret of all time"

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

That bee female is smoking!!!!!!!!!!!
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Genesis 1:1

>>That bee female is smoking!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I have to say........The BP morphs are WAYYYYYYY better looking than the normal phenotype BPs.......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Thanks man, appreciate it
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Jeremy Thompson
Captive Born Investments Inc.
www.captiveborninvestments.net
Jeremy@captiveborninvestments.net
941-323-4850

Lol.......what color is the sky in your world Rainer?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Lol.......what color is the sky in your world Rainer?
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John Lassiter

I don't know and i don't care... ALL I care about is that Red Bull Cola has been discontinued and the shelves are empty.
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Lol....I personally prefer sugar free Red Bull.....no sugar crash later.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I AM TALKING ABOUT RED BULL COLA. Tastes like coke x red bull x ciggarette ashes. mmmmmm!

we only have a limited time to buy up the remaining stock

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>>UHhh! Excuse me... But these forum members only like the natural form of what comes out of the wild. All these morphs are a real turn off for them.

yeah, i've noticed that with your florida kings.

>>>>UHhh! Excuse me... But these forum members only like the natural form of what comes out of the wild. All these morphs are a real turn off for them.
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>>yeah, i've noticed that with your florida kings.

Ouch!......lmao!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Those are some very interesting pyros. Not really crazy about albinos or hypos in pyros, though, as it just makes them look like they took a Clorox bath. Albino and hypo work better with pits and Cal kings. Just my opinion; beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

>>Those are some very interesting pyros. Not really crazy about albinos or hypos in pyros, though, as it just makes them look like they took a Clorox bath. Albino and hypo work better with pits and Cal kings. Just my opinion; beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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But you like the high whites?
Those high whites are just unrefined Applegate Specials or Baubel line animals.....both lines from the same mountains.......

I think the Sentz line hypo is one of the best looking tricolor morph out there....right up there with the t-positive nelsoni and the mega super duper extreme hypo hondos......lol

But seriously a pyro with tons of crossovers is my favorite.........until I see a high crossover Sentz Hypo.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

But seriously a pyro with tons of crossovers is my favorite........
Like this?

Blaze, one of my yearlings. Bigger now, this is baby pic.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

That is sweet!!!
Very cool look with the excessive black!!
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Genesis 1:1

Thanks!

Zappa, another unrelated male yearling. Of my 20 assorted pyros, I have only two that are not heavy black.

Baby Number Seven, a female.

Her father (old pic)

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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Yep....I have 1.1 just like Blaze.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

One of my female babies post first shed, a future mate for Blaze.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Beautiful snakes Terry!
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Genesis 1:1

Im glad you mentioned pits, i just got a pair of DH hypo and albino san diego gophers... im excited about them
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Chris - TX

Baby bulls, first two hatched. Ate right out of the egg. What a pleasant change from getting my clutch of pyros started! When they first hatched they were all hissy spits and striking at me; one even bit me! LOL! But they calmed down right away and now come out from the hides to get my attention when they are hungry.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Brandon, great post and pics. One question: is your larger urban camo also a pied? I think you said it is het pied, but what are those white patches if not pied?

Thanks.

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Kent

1.1 Hypo (het lavender, striped) corn snakes, 2010
1.2 Gray-banded king snakes, blairs phase, 2008
0.0.17 Gray-banded king snakes, 2011
1.1 Oregon rubber boas, w/c 2000 and something

Colossians 3:17

Thanks Kent! He is a possible het. The pied gene does affect some morphs and I'm thinking that is what is happening with him. I'm hoping to prove he is het this season. If it is not the pied gene I'm assuming it is something with his mom. She has made some weird stuff and continues to pass it on to grandchildren. I may actually have a new "hidden" gene. Time will tell.
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

That first one is real pretty.

I've always thought pied snakes looked kind of defective. Like they have a dermatological condition or something. Can someone explain what the attraction is. Is it just because they are different?

Because peids are the most bleeping gorgeous morph i have ever seen.
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Rainer, I couldn't have said it better myself.


.....but that's my opinion. I don't keep balls because they sell well and for a pretty penny. I keep them because I like them. Many here call them "pet rocks", but if you actually set them up in a cage, they are very interesting animals. Put some perches in their cages and they will sit on them.

and to keep on topic....

enjoy!
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

That last one almost looks like a Thayeri! Cool!

I like this kind, too. Do you have any of these? (Leucistic)
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

>>That last one almost looks like a Thayeri! Cool!
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>>I like this kind, too. Do you have any of these? (Leucistic)
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>>Bob
>>Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
>>Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.
Thanks Bob. The last is one of my carpondros. They are awesome!
I don't have any leucy stuff. They look great as babies, but tend to turn yellow as adults....at least the ones I've seen. Pieds stay white as snow!
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

your web site up and running!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

Thanks. It needs some major updating. I'm actually working on a new one to replace it. The old format just doesn't allow much room for additions....and I have a ton of animals to add to it. I'll post the link when I get it mostly done.
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

proof that there are always new morphs showing up.

Do they come with little caps to keep their poor old bald heads warm?

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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.