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Longnose Snakes. Anyone ever deal with them or try to breed them? I really like them, and I am thinking of collecting a pair. I was wondering if anyone had done it, and if there is a market.

They are great. I don't know why they aren't more popular. They are not as common as kingsnake in collections (rare actually) and nodbody give them a thought.

Best way to get started is keep some w/c that are taking mice and then breed them and the babies will be mouse feeders from the start.

. What we used to do was bring home 10 of w/c logsnoses and throw mice in . Tthe ones that would take unscented we would keep. The rest would be released.

The babies (from the southwestern deserts) do well on pinkies. Not sure how other locales reacts to pinkies as their first meal. Anyone here had experience with producing any of the AZ or mexican loacles. the mexican locales are georgeuos!
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Don't forget the West Texas ones.......
Don Shores produced some killer ones a few years back.... Claris phase that were banded and striped....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I still like the latinos latanos or whatever ya call em.

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Ask Ana......you like Latinas........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I am just trying to make gerard jealous.
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You Joke but your going to really piss off Jeremy. You need to let him no that he is your next big thing. It was Davis with his snake skin rodent repelent but now it's Jeremy's weak balls.

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Gerard

"Destruction of the empty spaces is my one and only crime"

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GONE FISHING!!!

I think that only MBrawely can understand this one.
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>>I think that only MBrawely can understand this one.

"...can i sell you some real estate?"

-the 23 minute and 30 second middleweight champion and mr. perpetual 2nd place, kale "cabbage head" sunin

don't get me wrong, i like the guy (some) but sometimes it is too overboard.
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odelay odelay odelay hee hoooo...
heeeeya huhhhh!
~Back in the saddle (Aerosmith)

He's again whip Silva's ass...again. Only this time it's gonna be a stoppage.

Micah this is what a street fight between me and you would look like.

You would be the MMA fighter trying to fight me...... HA HA HA HA HA!

HA HA HA HA!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SouF7teM_Ms&feature=player_embedded

LOL!
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I think when/if Chael get's a rematch, the event should be held in Rio De Janeiro, Brazil. That would make it that much more interesting. HaHaaaa!
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Randy Whittington

Listen K, I know Brazil. Chael would make it outta there alive. And he would never fight ther ebecause he knows it.

The crowd in brasil. WHOA!!!!!!! Man they are the best fans in MMA. UNBELIEVABLE !
Just look at this crowd:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCcLJ0kMcLc

Look at them stealing the hats of their national heros. I hear that with 5 minutes (of this free live event in Brazil) these hats were being auctioned off on ebay:
Hat stolen from Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_JUlajPZAQ

later on they have 4 guys try and take Silvas hat:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbIuAvVb-Sw
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I assume in your second sentence you meant to write wouldn't instead of would.
That was sort of what I was insinuating by my post. He might learn to control his mouth a little.
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Randy Whittington

I like him.

Remeinds me of somebody. hmm. Just can't think of who it is...
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I figured you might like him. lol
I've always liked his fights. His fighting has reached a whole new level lately. He can beat ANYONE when he is really on now but his extreme comments like he has made about Brazil, the Nogueira brothers or how he would have left the UFC if Silva beat him, which he obviously didn't or wouldn't do, make him look like an idiot. I'm down for his smack talking to opponents to boost interest in fights but those extreme comments make MMA look more like "professional wrestling" out of the octogon. I think it would suck if it got to where many of the top fighters started taking the smack talking to the level of Sonnen or Barnett.
To each his own though I suppose. I personally love nothing more that seeing a fight where one of the opponents who treat the other with respect get in the ring and totally dominate or knock out an opponent who has been talking big trash.
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Randy Whittington

actually I think Sonnen has some rights to the things he is saying. He is also a smart guy. He DID challange Silva to fight him and said if he lost he would lose the UFC foreever. But Silva didn't take the offer when he had the chance. matter of fact Silav does not want to give Sonnen a chance and made that satement sevral times. So as far as Sonnens comment about leaving the UFC. That was a offer with an expiration. And Silva never said yes. now Soinnen will be fighting someone else next. probably the winner of Mayhen vs Bisbing. Bisbing just won tonight, so i guess he will be facing Sonnen now.

As far as Sonnen fighting Silva again. I think Silva will beat him this time (well he did the first time. But not really). Silva really hates him aver since Sonnen said he will kick down the door of his house and make his wife cook him a steak dinner, .LOL! Sonnen is a character with oratory skills that can't be matched by any other fighter in the UFC. So I don't think this is turning into WWF.
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You are definatly predictable Rainer, I'll give you that and leave it at that.
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Randy Whittington

Should have read "definitely".
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Randy Whittington

Well most people don't like it when one does not agree with them.
You are no different.
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Dear AdamWhite, I generally agree with Bluerosy in regard Rhinocheilius, they are attractive animals (the Mexican/antonii especially so...), commonly found within their large range etc. Individuals may be problematic, they often prefer lizards. They go crazy over young whiptails... Many will take mice, often you have to scent them with a lizard or offer a lizard first to stimulate feeding. Some prefer wild type mice, others will eat anything offered. They are not as powerful constrictors as kings, they prefer smaller items, and some are fussy feeders, so maybe that is why they are not "mass produced". The "e-z keepers" that take domestic fuzzy mice etc. are easy and fun, and several morphs and aberrant ones have shown up for those who like atypical. I found the northern ones to be better rodent feeders than the southern, but that is a broad generalization, someone else may say the opposite. They are native in California and generally may not be sold here. They may be tricky to get feeding, so a captive raised on mice is a wonderful thing if you can find it. In general, they are a bit trickier than many kings, but if you do alright with alterna, they should be up your alley.

I found this one in New Mexico.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

That thing is bad ass!
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Gerard

"Destruction of the empty spaces is my one and only crime"

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Pic taken by Rich Lane.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>Longnose Snakes. Anyone ever deal with them or try to breed them? I really like them, and I am thinking of collecting a pair. I was wondering if anyone had done it, and if there is a market.

I like these:

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Here's a better shot of my Sanderson, Texas Male:

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Here's a couple of neat ones.

Aberrant from AZ my friend found

Hypomelanistic.

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See....these things are killer.....I think they are marketable, but if not I'd love to work with some....always have......

Awesome pics Ross!
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Sure thing, John. Check out the axanthic I posted for Rainer.
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Those last two are awesome.

is anyone working with those?
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Not that I know of, Rainer. The aberrant I believe was collected but its a juvenile. The Hypo was posted a long time ago and I can't remember who posted it. Here is what might be an axanthic Long Nosed. The guy that found this quite posting a couple of years ago.


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Yep, that sure is a true axanthic!

Imagine if someone awas working with these. We would have a Aberrent Spotted Ghost. LOL!

Just goes to show there are many places to go and break new ground in herpetoculture.

And after you do all the work , some no-nothing will ask for a het for nothing w/c Longnose ,.. Sheeesh!
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"And after you do all the work , some no-nothing will ask for a het for nothing w/c Longnose ,.. Sheeesh!"

Those No-nothings are so pesky, huh?
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Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

" Those No-nothings are so pesky, huh? "

Yep, those KNOW-Nothings sure are!! haha!!
You gotta love true humility!!
Jorge, you can Paypal me, but only do so as a Gift, for undisclosed reasons.
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Genesis 1:1

>>Not that I know of, Rainer. The aberrant I believe was collected but its a juvenile. The Hypo was posted a long time ago and I can't remember who posted it. Here is what might be an axanthic Long Nosed. The guy that found this quite posting a couple of years ago.

Anery.......I have a buddy in west Texas that has an anery......
Now there are black and white ones that have the normal red eyes......
Aneries do not have red eyes.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yeah, Anery is a better term in this case.
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If eye color is there in red ornage or yellow it is an anery.

It has the blue look which means axanthic. The "axanthics" in Floridas don't have red eyes either. Seems that anything with yellow or red showing is considred anery since red to yellow pigmenst are the same. When you get zero red or yellow it should be an anery.

The whole description or a most red phenotype vs a mostly yellow was a debate here over ten years ago and I asked bern bechtel all these questions myself. he just smiled and said they are just names and the two terms anery and axanthic can be used interchangably. I guess he was sued to this question. LOL

But from a herpetoculturist standpoint. We should try and group the recessive traits together so there is some uniformity. NOT one being axanthic that LOOKS like a Blue axanthic and call it an anery because of the original wild look because it being mostly a red or yellow in its natural form.
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Are you guys talking about a different longnose from this one that was found?

if so, my bad. I thought you meant this snake.
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>>Are you guys talking about a different longnose from this one that was found?

Rainer,
That was actually a great post that I agree with but I truthfully don't see blue in that snake above.......maybe it's just the picture......it looks black and white.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Are you guys talking about a different longnose from this one that was found?

No, you're right, we are talking about this one. It does look bluish in that picture but not so much in the other one.
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>>Are you guys talking about a different longnose from this one that was found?
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>>No, you're right, we are talking about this one. It does look bluish in that picture but not so much in the other one.
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I think the ONLY bluish axanthics are the floridana and the splendida axanthics.....maybe because their normal phenotype has yellow.........

Those "axanthic" californiae don't have me convinced......lol

If red pigment (erythrin) is absent that is anery.......
If yellow pigment (xanthin) is absent that is axanthic.......

An anery can be both anery and axanthic but an axanthic cannot be anery......

You see, if red is absent so is yellow and orange........but if a snake has no red in it's normal form but it has yellow none of it's mutations can be called anerythristic.......if that yellow is absent it is axanthic........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Anerys don't have the blue look. And "anery" looks quite different. It is not as simple as black and white. There are varying degrees of white and black and the axanthic has a unique look, though it may appear black and white to the untrained eye. I guess i been looking at anerys and axanthics for far to many years.
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>>Anerys don't have the blue look. And "anery" looks quite different. It is not as simple as black and white. There are varying degrees of white and black and the axanthic has a unique look, though it may appear black and white to the untrained eye. I guess i been looking at anerys and axanthics for far too many years

I never said aneries have a blue look.....only floridana and splendida AXANTHICS do............
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

So does the axanthic Cal kings i know of and the Longnose look blue 'axantic" to me.

Look at the black eyes on the longnose. Anery has white or grey iris . Also theere would be some yellow or slight pink ornage tinge there. i can't explain what i mean. but there is zero color in the longnose that i see in the pictures. A true axanthic to me is one that is totally void of any red-ornage-yellow-cream pigment.
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>>So does the axanthic Cal kings i know of and the Longnose look blue 'axantic" to me.
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>>Look at the black eyes on the longnose. Anery has white or grey iris . Also theere would be some yellow or slight pink ornage tinge there. i can't explain what i mean. but there is zero color in the longnose that i see in the pictures. A true axanthic to me is one that is totally void of any red-ornage-yellow-cream

That last sentence is what a true anery is........lol
Yellow, orange and cream will be wiped out if red is void......

But it doesn't work the other way.......IMHO

If just the yellow, orange and cream are absent (because there is no red normally on that animal).......that is axanthic......like the New England floridana and the blue axanthic Splendida........

What are the black and white splendida then? Axanthic because the xanthin (yellow) is absent......but they aren't bluish.

And the axanthic calkings you know of do not have me convinced.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

If just the yellow, orange and cream are absent (because there is no red normally on that animal).......that is axanthic

No! The color of the original wild type has nothing to do with it. It is the type of recessive trait .
Look at it this way... Axanthic compared to an Anery is like a T neg red eyed albino compared to a T pos amel.

You know, I am not good at explaining this on here. I can explain better in person.
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>>If just the yellow, orange and cream are absent (because there is no red normally on that animal).......that is axanthic
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>>No! The color of the original wild type has nothing to do with it. It is the type of recessive trait .
>>Look at it this way... Axanthic compared to an Anery is like a T neg red eyed albino compared to a T pos amel.
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>>You know, I am not good at explaining this on here. I can explain better in person.
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We can discuss it in Daytona then......if you make it there in 2012.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

We can discuss it in Daytona then......if you make it there in 2012

Nah, I won't make it until 2046.
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Hey, some stuff just looks better the way it comes. No matter how many cool morphs there are.

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Gerard

"Destruction of the empty spaces is my one and only crime"

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Look at my new sig.
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>>Hey, some stuff just looks better the way it comes. No matter how many cool morphs there are.

These all "come" from the wild........morphs and normals...... What if the normals had no red.......would the ones with red be called hypererythristic?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Not all morphs come out of the wild(see Marks albino floridana x california picture) I like morphs fine. Some stuff doesn't look better as a albino or other morph. Of course that just my opinion. What's wrong with liking a regular het for nothing animal? How is that know nothing?
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Gerard

"Destruction of the empty spaces is my one and only crime"

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

>>Not all morphs come out of the wild(see Marks albino floridana x california picture) I like morphs fine. Some stuff doesn't look better as a albino or other morph. Of course that just my opinion. What's wrong with liking a regular het for nothing animal? How is that know nothing?
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Of course all morphs (especially multiple homozygotes) do not come from the wild but all the single homozygotes per subspecies are from the wild......or hybridized in captivity into other subspecies as with Mark's pic.......lol

And I agree......a lot of the normal phenotypes look better than the mutants......but not always......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

You are right about that. Some stuff does benefit from some added color. Some stuff looks horrible as a albino. Some stuff starts off looking cool then as a adult looks bad. It all depends on what you like.

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Gerard

"Destruction of the empty spaces is my one and only crime"

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

>>These all "come" from the wild........morphs and normals...... What if the normals had no red.......would the ones with red be called hypererythristic?

THANK you! Ive been trying to make that point for years. Unsuccessfully.

>>>>These all "come" from the wild........morphs and normals...... What if the normals had no red.......would the ones with red be called hypererythristic?
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>>THANK you! Ive been trying to make that point for years. Unsuccessfully.

Me too Terry....I just depends on who you are trying to convince I see......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Well, it makes sense. It just doesn't mean it's a normal wild type. I know what you guys are saying though.
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Gerard

"Destruction of the empty spaces is my one and only crime"

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

>>Well, it makes sense. It just doesn't mean it's a normal wild type. I know what you guys are saying though.
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I believe most of are on the same page usually.........MOST of us......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Those sure are neat Ross! Love that abberant!

Dennis

I've alwats liked these guys too1 I used to see them a lot in pet shops but always heard they were hard to feed, so I never bought any. How easy do they breed, I wonder?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

They breed like cornsnakes. They are pretty simple and easy to care for.

If you can find captive born ones then jump on them..

Better yet CAPTIVE bred and born 2nd generation.

You will see a lot of guys selling w/c gravids that had babies. There is nothing worse than natuiral selection. LOL!
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>>I've alwats liked these guys too1 I used to see them a lot in pet shops but always heard they were hard to feed, so I never bought any. How easy do they breed, I wonder?
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>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
>> Jorge Sierra
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>>My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com

They breed like king snakes...not corns like Rainer stated.......they are very closely related to lampropeltis.........
They can be tough to get to eat as hatchlings, but hey so are a lot of getula, corns, alterna, zonata and mexicana......
And generations from the wild has nothing to do with feeding response.........I have F10 or so thayeri that still show some reluctance to rodents......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Here's the ANERY I am getting next year......He is from Brewster County, Texas.

There are "claris" phase long nosed snakes that are black and white but they have red eyes. This male does not have red eyes plus the "calris" phase is not found in Brewster county very often if ever......

Here's a full body shot:

Does he look "bluish" or axanthic to anyone?
It doesn't to me.....
The erythrin (red) is absent so it is Anerythristic not Axanthic.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That's pretty nice. This one is also listed as Anery, from Inyo Co. CA.

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Who says they are not kingsnakes? lol

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actually he is from Midland County John. I'm looking forward to getting him to you and hopefully seeing some baby hets!

Here is a south western Idaho Locale. The only one I have caught yet.

Very nice. I've never seen one from up there.
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Yeah, They are only known to live near Murphy, ID. That population was is about 400 miles from the nearest group of longnose snakes.