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Here's Some No Black Thayeri Ross...

Jlassiter Dec 05, 2011 12:56 AM

Some of the old school breeders called these Hypo Thayeri.
I don't think they are genetically hypomelanistic as they have reduced black pattern rather than reduced black pigmentation.

Here's a few I've had over the years and a couple pics of some others that Michelle Rogers has.......

I created some myself through 2 generations of line breeding some Vivid Reptile line thayeri. These two girls hatched out in 2003:

Then I found a killer one in Daytona in 2005 on Mitch Allen's table:

Michelle has these awesome adults from Bob Applegate lineage:

Those adults produced these two that I now have:

And I picked this one up at the Austin Reptile Expo this year:

I would love to see a "no-black" thayeri with hallow saddles....It would be an almost solid colored thayeri....
Here's a couple hallow saddled thayeri that I've produced. Imagine these with no black......

One thing I want to pursue is if there is such a thing as a Hypoerythristic thayeri.

Here's a male that was thought to be anery at birth by the breeder. He is not anery but may be hypo-e. I have a female offspring of his that I am raising up for him.

Here he is out of the egg:

I bred him to an MSP this last year in hopes that when he is bred to his daughter a Hypo-E MSP will hatch.....If not, no biggie.....I just want to prove him out and the only way possible is to produce an MSP that has reduced red pigmentation.
Leonis animals are too variable. MSPs have a more consistent red.

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Replies (5)

GerardS Dec 05, 2011 06:46 AM

The hallow saddled one is sweet!
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Gerard

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rosspadilla Dec 05, 2011 07:52 AM

Wow, thanks a lot for that, John! You have a nice pair of reduced black "Applegate" there, especially the orangish one that has the black almost completely reduced. Those "hypo-e" are really cool too. Good luck with those. Hope they prove out for you. You can selectively breed the black away, what about all the colors to get a solid color snake? Is that possible? Imagine a bright orange patternless Thayeri.
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Jlassiter Dec 05, 2011 07:35 PM

>>Wow, thanks a lot for that, John! You have a nice pair of reduced black "Applegate" there, especially the orangish one that has the black almost completely reduced. Those "hypo-e" are really cool too. Good luck with those. Hope they prove out for you. You can selectively breed the black away, what about all the colors to get a solid color snake? Is that possible? Imagine a bright orange patternless Thayeri.
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I have pondered the idea of trying to one day produce a solid colored thayeri.......other than black......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

MichaelHeyduk Dec 05, 2011 05:07 PM

Thanks for the great pics John,

too bad you don`t have the first female anymore, bc i have a perfect male for her...

And can you ship the pair from the 6th pic to me???
I like em very much!

yours,
Michael

Jlassiter Dec 05, 2011 07:37 PM

>>Thanks for the great pics John,
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>>too bad you don`t have the first female anymore, bc i have a perfect male for her...

>>And can you ship the pair from the 6th pic to me???
>>I like em very much!

I wish I still had that female for your male......

And I hope the ones in the 6th pic produce some good eggs next Spring.......it'll be their first year breeding.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

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