Reptile & Amphibian Forums

just a made up name. Another person has an animal that looks similar and that's what they where calling it. It is however unproven at this time but I have a girl that has the same look and I have seen others out of the clutch as well and I think it is going to prove out in the up coming years. But you can call it whatever you want right now.

Just playing a little devils advocate (I'm very good at that!!)

Please tell us what you see in your baby that defines the "Pastel (or something)" trait. What sets apart as different, how you think it's passed on and what your plans are to prove it.
-----
Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Yap, that is irritating Dave (or Devil), which ever you prefer. Ha ha, jk!

But fair enough, I will tell you the story of this little guy. I think it would be better to say “something” and not “pastel.” This is the second time that I have seen a BRB like this. Two years ago I picked up the first animal that had this unique look to it.

By unique I mean that it has a very silver/gray look to it but not the same way that a baby anery looks. There is a distinct yellow color in the top circles that first caught my eye and made me think it wasn’t just an ugly BRB. There is also very high blushing on the side. Here is a picture to compare the girl, Wendy with a normal.

Nevertheless the first one I got was a female I named Mina, you can see a picture of her on my website. Unfortunately, she died a few months after I got her. A year later I saw a few more that looked the same way, 3 (1.2) and this time I thought enough to inquire as to where they came from. There were bought by the vendor on wholesale from a kid in his area that breeds them. This was the same place he got his BRB’s last year. He told me that the adults were normal looking. Without counting for specifics it appeared to be a less than half split. I bought all of them from the vendor.

After that, I turned around and sold one of the females for the price I paid for the 3. Having my interested peak prompted a vendor friend of mine to want in on it. Unfortunately, the girl I sold to my friend, (a ball python guy) died a month later. My 1.1 are still alive but they are not growing fast. I am having trouble getting them on f/t.

From what I was able to learn my initial thought is recessive, however I don’t know at this point in time. When the male is big enough he is going with a normal female and when the girl is big enough then they will go together and we will see what happens.

Tell me what your thoughts are?

John

Interesting history and some observations.....

1) most critical in my mind, 2 out of 4 of the visually different babies have not survived? One in the care of a BP breeder and one in your care. While I can easily discount the BP breeder as not giving the proper care, from our chats I believe you know how to keep BRB's alive and healthy. IMO this indicates a possibility of weak animals/genes and may not be the best idea to cross siblings?

2) Not growing fast - having trouble getting them on F/T. Yup, some are harder than others and while working on transitioning they can be miss meal opportunities but not necessarily. I feed my babies in waves......

Live rat pinks (RP) first since those are surplus

Those that did not eat RP (refused or not even offered) are offered F/T.

Those that did not eat RP or FT are offered live mouse hoppers.

Lastly "market" - "it wasn’t just an ugly BRB" depending on how they turn out there may not be a big market for a morph that is not just ugly?

Hey, obviously I play with the genetics myself and have been very fortunate with some of the things I've found. MANY (most) of my attempts have resulted in litters of normal looking BRB's. Not complaining at all, just pointing out the reality of all these dinking around projects - most will turn out to be nothing or at best nothing really special. Of course, there are the rare situations where something amazing pops out. Could be that your "special" looking ones will grow up into relatively normal looking adults that produce something very special. ie they are the visual hets for a co-dom trait.

Wishing you the best of luck with them and keep getting food into them one ay or another.
-----
Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC and still very fiesty)
0.2 kids (CBB, a big part of our selective breeding program)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count (02/01/2010):
42.61 BRB
27.40 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats