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I finally got my occipitolineata eating mice. Now they can start growing.

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Gerard

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Oh man, that is sweet!!! Keep us updated on their growth.

Thanks man, I will certainly do that.
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Gerard

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Cool....I always thought they resemble calligaster and mexicana.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

They do look like calligaster. They are closely related to them but defiantly a different snake.
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Gerard

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>>They do look like calligaster. They are closely related to them but defiantly a different snake.
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I agree......we have "similar" but different Prairie kings here.....they are not as rare as SFMKs..........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

They are so rare! I'm hoping I can get some more next year. In hate to only have 1.1 just in case.
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Gerard

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>>>They do look like calligaster.

thats because they ARE a calligaster!
heres a l.calligaster calligaster i produced a few years back.
,,,,,,thomas davis

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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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I think what he ment WAS Prarie King! It's just a short way of saying it. Thanks for you input. I appreciate it so much my friend. The moles love skinks did you know that?
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Gerard

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>>I think what he ment WAS Prarie King! It's just a short way of saying it. Thanks for you input. I appreciate it so much my friend. The moles love skinks did you know that?
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Sorry.....I did mean l. calligaster calligaster........Prairie king

But amazingly all subspecies of calligaster resemble mexicana in some way......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yeah, I know what you ment.
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Gerard

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You are right they are closely related to them. Just a different species from the southern part of Florida. Thanks!
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Gerard

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same species
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Yep....there's three subs to that species.......Right?......no more than the prairie, mole and SF mole?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yes sir, three different species from very diffent parts of the country. I like the occipitolineata the best.
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Gerard

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>>Yes sir, three different species from very diffent parts of the country. I like the occipitolineata the best.
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Subspecies....there's that typo again.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

No type-o, it's not called a Florida prairie king. SubSPECIES means it's different. Is the DNA different between the three different species? If it is they a not the same.
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Gerard

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>>No type-o, it's not called a Florida prairie king. SubSPECIES means it's different. Is the DNA different between the three different species? If it is they a not the same.

Hold it now Gerard...
They are all Lampropeltis calligaster....

Lampropeltis calligaster rhombomaculata = Mole King
Lampropeltis calligaster calligaster = Prairie King
Lampropeltis calligaster occipitolineata = South Florida Mole King
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yes, that is the 3 different species of calligaster. I'm not debating that. I didn't start this thread to debate that. I wonder what made it turn intomthis??????

If they are the same why isn't just Lampropeltis c. Calligaster for all three species?
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Gerard

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thank you john, ayayayayaaaa kids today huh

,,,,,,,,thomas
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Very nice one pictured in your origional post Gerald. They are subspecies of lampropeltis calligaster.
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Randy Whittington

I know. I own all 3 different species. Again, this is not the topic of the thread. Someone just can't let go. Thanks again!
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Gerard

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I think you are confused.....
Lampropeltis is the genus
Calligaster is the species
Then there are three subspecies under the species calligaster.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

http://cnah.org/detail.asp?id=164
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Gerard

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>>http://cnah.org/detail.asp?id=164
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>>Gerard
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>>"I've lived a thousand times, I've found out what it means to be believed"
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>>GONE FISHING!

Lampropeltis calligaster occipitolineata 
Genus. Species. Subspecies

Other subspecies are l. c. rhombomaculata and l. c. calligaster.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yes, they are all kingsnakes.
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Gerard

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But like the anery hondo it doesn't mean it's right. That's just my opinion and how I feel. Call themnwhat ever you like. They are different. Thanks!
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Gerard

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>>But like the anery hondo it doesn't mean it's right. That's just my opinion and how I feel. Call themnwhat ever you like. They are different. Thanks!

I, too agree that all three subspecies are different.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>>>But like the anery hondo it doesn't mean it's right. That's just my opinion and how I feel. Call themnwhat ever you like. They are different. Thanks!
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>>I, too agree that all three subspecies are different.......
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>>John Lassiter
>>Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Got your email....I concur!....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Lol...........lmao!!!!

Truce!......ool
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Agreed....
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Gerard

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so you own all 3 ssp. of calligaster, thats really cool they are very underrated imho again the species IS calligaster as myself, randy, and john have tried to point out to you.
,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Thanks for your nice comment.
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Gerard

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same species diff.ssp.
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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correct and sfmole is a perfect example of taxonomy/splitters gone wild
all 3 ssp. are the same snake imho
,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

That's your opinion. One I do not share. I like mine bettr it makes more sense. Have a good night.
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Gerard

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you really should do more research before spouting off it is NOT my opinion but scientific known accepted FACT that they are all 3 the SAME SPECIES!

,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Calm down man. You are very opinionated. You have different views on everything. You can't get them all right. Thanks for the comment. Have a good night.
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Gerard

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yes and obviously you are very ignorant about taxonomy and classification. which is not a bad thing ignorance is just lack of knowledge i have faith with some study you can grasp the differance of species and subspecies. dont give up youll get there im cheering for ya
,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

http://cnah.org/detail.asp?id=164

You can have your opinions. It's fine. I cam have mine. Also fine!
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Gerard

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of course we can have our own opinions who said we couldnt??? the fact remains the species is calligaster no "opinions" necassary read your link they are classified as calligaster plain as day at one time they were not but then it was realized and accepted that indeed they are calligaster plain and simple.

,,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

Thank you! I always look forward to hearing you think.
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Gerard

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well your welcome... remember my statement... fight ignorance with knowledge... reading CNAH is great start! you go!
im pullin for ya!
you can do it!

,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

That's your opinion and you have the right to it. If you wont let me teach you we can just agree to disagree.
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Gerard

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>>>That's your opinion and you have the right to it. If you wont let me teach you we can just agree to disagree.

no they are the same species not my opinion FACT, get a clue.
,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Hey, no need for that attitude bud. We can agree to disagree. It's ok! It doesn't hurt to be a dreamer. Have a great night.
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Gerard

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no attitude just pointing out the facts. i for one dont really buy into ssp. at all... genus and sp. is enough for me

,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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So then why the argument?
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Gerard

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>>You are right they are closely related to them. Just a different species from the southern part of Florida. Thanks!
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Gerard is a believer in the way SFMKs were once classified. They were once separate from calligaster and was lumped into them. They were a separate species........

They were never rhombomaculata nor calligaster...........they were not a geographical range of rhombomaculata that was split into two different subspecies......

I can certainly respect that as I still believe alterna and ruthveni to be mexicana.......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

What that says is that they are calligaster but they should be their own species. They a completely isolated from the other two species and swap no DNA. I miss read what you were saying. I think what they did to ruthveni applies to occipitolineata. It's a different animal.
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Gerard

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>>What that says is that they are calligaster but they should be their own species. They a completely isolated from the other two species and swap no DNA. I miss read what you were saying. I think what they did to ruthveni applies to occipitolineata. It's a different animal.
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Okay.........you, like many of us disagree with taxonomists..........like I said, I can certainly understand your standpoint.........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Thank you! I want a anery alterna. Help me.....
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Gerard

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Awesome! I love when that happens!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra

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High fives all the way around!! We know how good that feels. Congrats.

Joe

No kidding. I didn't have any problems getting them to eat. They really like skins a lot. Did you know Mole kings like skinks so much? Lol!
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Gerard

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Congrats brutha!
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Genesis 1:1

Thanks man!!! I am really stoked.
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Gerard

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Nice work Gerard!

Lu

Thanks man....I love this unique species.
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Gerard

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