hahaha Just messing around. I found this picture I had saved probably a few years ago and forgot what it was. Looks like a hypermelanistic Speckled king or FL king maybe. I don't know. You guys are the experts. What is it???
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OK you lame East Coast herpers...
rosspadilla
Dec 09, 2011 11:53 PM
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Jlassiter
Dec 09, 2011 11:55 PM
>>hahaha Just messing around. I found this picture I had saved probably a few years ago and forgot what it was. Looks like a hypermelanistic Speckled king or FL king maybe. I don't know. You guys are the experts. What is it???
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I'd say Splendida Speedway king........
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John Lassiter
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 12:04 AM
Really? It doesn't look splendida to me. Look at the head pattern and how close the first band is behind the head. Looks like a Speckled to me but I'm not sure.
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Jlassiter
Dec 10, 2011 12:15 AM
>>Really? It doesn't look splendida to me. Look at the head pattern and how close the first band is behind the head. Looks like a Speckled to me but I'm not sure.
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Maybe one of our Texas gulf coast intergrades.....but I've never seen nor heard of a hypermel splendida, holbrooki or floridana for that matter.....
It seems the hypermel form of holbrooki is nigra.......and the hypermel form of splendida is nigrita.........
Very interesting that the yellow is chocolate like hypermel calkings........maybe it's a 1993 Rainer special.....j/k.....lol
It may very well be a dirty floridana.........
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John Lassiter
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 12:28 AM
It seems the hypermel form of holbrooki is nigra.......and the hypermel form of splendida is nigrita.........
There are completely different types of hypermelanism in Cal kings, so maybe that's what's going on here.
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Jlassiter
Dec 10, 2011 12:32 AM
>>It seems the hypermel form of holbrooki is nigra.......and the hypermel form of splendida is nigrita.........
>>There are completely different types of hypermelanism in Cal kings, so maybe that's what's going on here.
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Possibly.......
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John Lassiter
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GerardS
Dec 09, 2011 11:56 PM
What's up man? It's a getula!
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Gerard
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 12:05 AM
Cant go wrong with that answer. 
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Jlassiter
Dec 09, 2011 11:56 PM
>>hahaha Just messing around. I found this picture I had saved probably a few years ago and forgot what it was. Looks like a hypermelanistic Speckled king or FL king maybe. I don't know. You guys are the experts. What is it???
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But there's shells in the picture.......lol
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John Lassiter
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thomas davis
Dec 10, 2011 12:17 AM
as a guess id say holbrooki and or nigra and fla. intergrade from nw fla. or mississippi maybe???
looks similiar to my mongrel kings which are nigritusXfloridana these are 50/50s
,,,,,,,,thomas davis
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 12:25 AM
Yeah, could be a cross. The color of the light areas is kind of odd, though.
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GerardS
Dec 10, 2011 06:35 AM
Yeah, a natural intergrade of nigrita and floridana from NW Florida. Awesome! Where exactly do these two species ranges meet?
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Gerard
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 07:51 AM
Yeah, a natural intergrade of nigrita and floridana from NW Florida. Awesome! Where exactly do these two species ranges meet?
I had no idea, so I looked in Hubbs book and come to find out, nigra and floridana are separated by getula getula.
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GerardS
Dec 10, 2011 08:05 AM
I didn't mean to post that question under you. Sorry!
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Gerard
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 08:19 AM
OK, I'm seeing you didn't actually mean that then. lol
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a153fish
Dec 10, 2011 07:58 AM
It happens all the time in Texas!
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CrimsonKing
Dec 10, 2011 06:36 AM
..dunno but the ground (shells, etc.) looks much like what you'd find anywhere from the canefields and 100 miles in any direction....
:Mark
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 07:57 AM
Very interesting.
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CrimsonKing
Dec 10, 2011 08:23 AM
are there similar looking rocks and pieces of sugarcane out west? I know there are canefields in the deep south too...
:Mark
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 08:34 AM
are there similar looking rocks and pieces of sugarcane out west?
No, not anywhere around Los Angeles that I know of. lol
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CrimsonKing
Dec 10, 2011 08:26 AM
so my gut says it's a canefield FL king....
:Mark
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 08:36 AM
Yeah, that's what Doug thinks as well. I've never seen one that dark and ugly if it is. Its about as ugly as our Long Beach Grease kings. lol
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CrimsonKing
Dec 10, 2011 08:45 AM
you can see he's about to shed his skin and will look somewhat "better" then....
:Mark
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 08:48 AM
Good eye, I just noticed that now that you mention it.
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a153fish
Dec 10, 2011 08:53 AM
>>Good eye, I just noticed that now that you mention it.
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Yep, I change my answer lol! It's definately a florida. Mark is the man! I caught some ugly Cane Kings but that one has got to take the prize. Your right it is about to shed though.
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 09:01 AM
Yeah, I imagine it will still be pretty dark after it sheds but maybe more "normal" looking.
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 09:04 AM
Still sleeping? I thought you would be all over this thread. lol
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Bluerosy
Dec 12, 2011 10:30 AM
The pos said "lame east coaster' so i didn't click on it like some did.
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Bluerosy
Dec 12, 2011 10:34 AM
sorry i meant to type "POST" and not "POS". Sorry ross! LOL!
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rosspadilla
Dec 12, 2011 02:14 PM
That was a personal attack, you can't take it back. hahahahaha I was just a little disappointed not to get your opinion on the king. And btw, I don't think you guys are lame at all.
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Bluerosy
Dec 12, 2011 03:22 PM
With all the different croses i do with hets, double hets, triple hets, quadruple hets, .. and more. I see every possible normal phenotype and everything inbewteen that one would see in the wild. I was just in my snake room admiring a line of triple homos wheich are new that have a mlemon yellow almost lime green color on them. Very cool!~~
.Anyways,,..So these types of posts do not impress or interest me. All i have to do is look at my collection and see hundreds of hets that fit into any of these wild type descriptions. there is nothing new under the sun. only recent posts have made these something new.But they are old to me.
As far as my opinion. I think it is a wild type that is dark.I don't see it being a melanistic or anything like the grease kings ect.
Bsically if you get a pair of fairly dark ones to breed together you will get babies from one end of the extreme to the other. From light - to >>>>- dark. This was just a very dark phase. Does not mean its parantage was! Just a unique dark phase that poped out from the dark end of the spectrum. People are always interested in the unusual light phase. So it does surprise me when they focus on a dark brown and they think a dark phase is something new.
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rosspadilla
Dec 12, 2011 04:09 PM
Interesting. I was thinking it might be from an area with mostly dark kings, but maybe not.
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CrimsonKing
Dec 10, 2011 11:40 AM
rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 01:35 PM
Yeah, a little darker but very close I bet.
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DISCERN
Dec 10, 2011 10:22 AM
Buddy of mine has a locality pair from the cane fields, and he said they are ugly!! LOL!
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a153fish
Dec 10, 2011 08:47 AM
It does have a florida look to it, especially on the side flanks, but I never saw one that ugly either, lol.
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a153fish
Dec 10, 2011 07:56 AM
it looks like a King from an area where Speckleds intergrade with the Black king.
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FoxTurtle
Dec 10, 2011 05:32 PM
Just an ugly canefield king, it seems.
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rosspadilla
Dec 10, 2011 06:52 PM
Yep, looks like it.
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flavirufa
Dec 11, 2011 12:15 AM
I found this thread to be interesting and sorta funny that some would guess this animal to be anything other than 100% floridana.Seen LOTS of this phenotype west /sw of the big lake,I could mention a specific locale,but for most this is enough info.Mark and Nick were right.I'd say these kings are sorta unattractive for the most part,but just like any locale king,they're cool in their own rite!And you'd be surprized by some of these with a chocolate ground color,very little speckling,and cream or yellow crossbands,seen some that I'd consider gems. Alan
Jlassiter
Dec 11, 2011 01:26 AM
>>I found this thread to be interesting and sorta funny that some would guess this animal to be anything other than 100% floridana.Seen LOTS of this phenotype west /sw of the big lake,I could mention a specific locale,but for most this is enough info.Mark and Nick were right.I'd say these kings are sorta unattractive for the most part,but just like any locale king,they're cool in their own rite!And you'd be surprized by some of these with a chocolate ground color,very little speckling,and cream or yellow crossbands,seen some that I'd consider gems. Alan
Well some of us get out more and have seen more than just some west / sw of big lake Floridana......OH...and we live in a state with lots of kingsnakes......Hell lots of NATIVE snakes for that matter.....LOL
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John Lassiter
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flavirufa
Dec 11, 2011 09:38 AM
John,By your response,I'm guessing I ruffled your feathers about the ID of the dark fla king.Not my intentions at all for anyone to take my prior post as being rude about the ID.Sometimes statements on here can be perceived one way,and taken wrong.Oh,and make no mistake,some of us Fla boys have found kings all over the great state of Texas and everywhere in between. Alan
Jlassiter
Dec 11, 2011 11:19 AM
>>John,By your response,I'm guessing I ruffled your feathers about the ID of the dark fla king.Not my intentions at all for anyone to take my prior post as being rude about the ID.Sometimes statements on here can be perceived one way,and taken wrong.Oh,and make no mistake,some of us Fla boys have found kings all over the great state of Texas and everywhere in between. Alan
Alan,
I certainly took it wrong initially.......
I do apologize....
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John Lassiter
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rosspadilla
Dec 11, 2011 02:31 AM
but just like any locale king,they're cool in their own rite!
No doubt about that. You have to field herp to really appreciate this sort of thing.
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FoxTurtle
Dec 11, 2011 03:46 PM
The first king I put my hands on down by the Lake was a nice chocolate phase. I was surprised, because all the Florida kings I'd seen in field guides had prominent yellow speckling. I didn't know they came in brown.
I've found them in Miami-Dade that look pretty similar, too, though they tend to have a little more lightening on their sides.
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GerardS
Dec 11, 2011 04:03 PM
This one came out of NW dade. It is a really nice light chocolate color.
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Gerard
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FoxTurtle
Dec 11, 2011 04:09 PM
That's pretty nice. Healthy looking too.
I have one that was found near the trail that looks just like a brooksi from down south. I've got 4 from that zone, and they all look pretty different. I ought to get some comparison shots.
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GerardS
Dec 11, 2011 04:22 PM
That male came from south of that spot. I like the ones I have seen out of the spot your talking about. I'm interested to see the babies now that you have mates.
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Gerard
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FoxTurtle
Dec 11, 2011 04:44 PM
Supposedly there were some real screamer yellow kings at that spot. I don't know of anyone finding any lately that were better than an average brooksi, though. Could be there was some sort of hypo gene at play. One of the kings I found out there last month looks like an eastern/Florida intergrade. Not particularly attractive or anything, just different looking.
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Jlassiter
Dec 11, 2011 04:46 PM
Wow......I like that one!
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John Lassiter
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Lucy47
Dec 10, 2011 06:52 PM
Looks like a really dark Floridana .
Lu
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Dec 11, 2011 01:09 AM
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rosspadilla
Dec 11, 2011 02:28 AM
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