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Just curious to see what all morphs myths are out there and how everyone feels about them. For example spiders tend to have great appetites and are prolific breeders, piebalds tend to be bad eaters, desert females don't lay viable eggs ect....ect. What other morphs have myths like these?? Chris

The myth that drives me nuts is the one saying there is no such thing as a heterozygous spider ball python.

All tested spider ball pythons have the heterozygous spider genotype (a spider gene paired with a normal gene).

Paul Hollander

I think the myth (if it is a myth) is that here are no HOMOZYGOUS spiders
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Sed et serpens erat callidior cunctis animantibus terrae quae fecerat Dominus Deus...

Desert females do not breed like "normal" ball pythons.

Caramels may kink.
Sables may wobble. Super Sables may fail...
Sable SPider combos generally stink.
Super SPotnose... some may have issues...
Womas may wobble.

Super Cinnamons/Black Pastels may have pinched noses or genetic defects at birth.

Champagne bred to some combos makes babies that don't thrive. Example Champagne Spider, Champagne Woma..

Super HG Womas STINK! Pretty but no good...

Super Stripe x Ivory may be a tough one......to get good fertility or "good" babies from.

SATAN

>>Just curious to see what all morphs myths are out there and how everyone feels about them. For example spiders tend to have great appetites and are prolific breeders, piebalds tend to be bad eaters, desert females don't lay viable eggs ect....ect. What other morphs have myths like these?? Chris
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"Super Stripe x Ivory may be a tough one......to get good fertility or "good" babies from."

Thanks for all the great info. This one is totally new to me and unexpected. Please elaborate on what you've seen, like how many different pairings. Do Ivory females (or is the female Super Stripe?) have problems regardless of the male? Or do one of these males have problems? If ivory and superstripe babies hatch fine when the parents are yb and spector then all I can think that would be different genetically is that maybe either super stripe or ivory doesn't make a good parent which would be a real shame but nice to know before I eventually get there.

>>"Super Stripe x Ivory may be a tough one......to get good fertility or "good" babies from."
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>>Thanks for all the great info. This one is totally new to me and unexpected. Please elaborate on what you've seen, like how many different pairings. Do Ivory females (or is the female Super Stripe?) have problems regardless of the male? Or do one of these males have problems? If ivory and superstripe babies hatch fine when the parents are yb and spector then all I can think that would be different genetically is that maybe either super stripe or ivory doesn't make a good parent which would be a real shame but nice to know before I eventually get there.

I'm also very interested to hear more on this subject.
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I haven't had problems with that breeding.

Mark Haas

>>I haven't had problems with that breeding.
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>>Mark Haas

You may have a superior line...

I know of myself and a few others that have had issues when breeding super stripe x Ivory...it seems Het Super x yellow belly or Ivory works great....or vice versa.....

They may not all be created equal..... and I know of at least two lines that mirror this situation...

Easy fix...I don't breed the supers together....

WHat is the SUPER SPECTOR/WHIRLWIND?????

What does it look like??

SATAN
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He did forget how they grow though. As you'll notice what snakebite said on this thread. http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=34273&page=2 (hope it's ok to post this link) If not this is one of the things Kevin is talking about on the above sad thread.

I did notice how this made the thread die a quick death over there. Interesting how nobody had a questions for snakebite about the long and thin comment. Sounds like something I was saying months ago but was called every name in the book for doing so.

Have a great holiday everyone. Maybe this will liven up this forum, but I'm not so sure any of you are going to want to mess with the Evilmorphgod. I did notice that a certain high profile person had nothing to say about his comment though. Interesting wouldn't you say?

ratings over here!!!!

Oh yeah, they tend to be more on the long lean side....

A fat desert is most likely one that has been babied and the owner has taken effort to make big and fat. I think they need to be older than the "normal" ball python before we can think about breeding them.....

Like I said..... none of this make me HAPPY......... the real question and problem here is that the Desert gene may be located on an allele that is close to another one that make for "nervous", "agitated"...... may have a gene where the females hormones cause the snake to lose interest in feeding as it grows...I have no idea.

But we do seem to see leaking like this with other genes.

Spiders....you can't take the wobble out of them most likely due to the associated patter/color gene is right near a loci that has a the motor skill tick. THey may have some kind of loose connection or "bleed". I would bet we will not be able to change this..

I love SPiders and they can wobble all they want.... the purist can go read their Ode on a Grecian Urn and revel in their bookshelves of other Ode reading...

I stare at my spiders and love them.... they in fact make me happy.

SATAN..

>>He did forget how they grow though. As you'll notice what snakebite said on this thread. http://www.reptileradio.net/reptileradio/showthread.php?t=34273&page=2 (hope it's ok to post this link) If not this is one of the things Kevin is talking about on the above sad thread.
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>>I did notice how this made the thread die a quick death over there. Interesting how nobody had a questions for snakebite about the long and thin comment. Sounds like something I was saying months ago but was called every name in the book for doing so.
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>>Have a great holiday everyone. Maybe this will liven up this forum, but I'm not so sure any of you are going to want to mess with the Evilmorphgod. I did notice that a certain high profile person had nothing to say about his comment though. Interesting wouldn't you say?
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Interesting stuff there--
Hatched a few Sables NEVER ANY that wobbled!!
Hatched a few Supers also, in the beginning some wobbled and some didn't.......now very few wobble....think I'm almost over that hurdle and definately NEVER had any that failed....
Never tried Spider Sables because people have tried and failed ...this year I seen 3 Spider Sables from the same clutch....perfect (I also believe someone had one posted for sale)...I tried like hell to get a male but no dice, he wasn't selling....tryin' for a few clutches myself this year and see what happens.....for now, back to hell

>>Interesting stuff there--
>>Hatched a few Sables NEVER ANY that wobbled!!
>>Hatched a few Supers also, in the beginning some wobbled and some didn't.......now very few wobble....think I'm almost over that hurdle and definately NEVER had any that failed....
>>Never tried Spider Sables because people have tried and failed ...this year I seen 3 Spider Sables from the same clutch....perfect (I also believe someone had one posted for sale)...I tried like hell to get a male but no dice, he wasn't selling....tryin' for a few clutches myself this year and see what happens.....for now, back to hell

ERic would know lots of the Sable ins and outs....(He started the entire project)

I do have a SPider Sable that is nearly an adult and she wobbles like crazy but still eats..... she is my lone survivor and needed the extra attention in life. Still love her...very pretty!!

SATAN
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Hey kev, just for my personal curiosity...how many Sable Spiders have you hatched.....living and dead??? Ya can PM me if ya want....thanks

>>Hey kev, just for my personal curiosity...how many Sable Spiders have you hatched.....living and dead??? Ya can PM me if ya want....thanks

Ummmm maybe 3 sable spider....a sable BB.....and quite a few eggs that went bad(died)....that combo is just hard...i no longer try it....still things to be done with the sable gene...just maybe not that one!!!

SATAN
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my sable was fine...her kids all look fine...I like sables...they are cool....grew well...bred well...babies all hatched well and fine..ate well enough....

never heard this one before...........

....heard most of the other stuff....makes sense that stuff mixed with woma or spider suck as far as fecundity...the spider is screwed up to begin with...so if you mix 2 genes it makes sense to get a bad deal....spiders are the one gene I am glad to have no more of...

.....we are mixing so much stuff...plus the facts of individual snake health.....we'll all get some good some bad....

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I've seen you post before about not liking spiders. As crazy as they can be I still love them. They do have a tendency to be great eaters and breed early (with my snakes) and make great combos. Their loopyness just ives them more character. Chris Hall

LOL...yea...I hate them actually...they bred well , ate well and I made alot of cool spider combos...sold them all...actually...sold everything (or gave it away)...I have 0 animals or racks....none...

IF I would ever start breeding snakes again...I would do just pinstripes...no woma or spiders....pin combos (plus other stuff like crystals and potions and caramel glows and clown morphs)...
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........JY

Jeff, I don't wanna hear this IF you start again crap...... You know DARN well you're gonna get back into this madness again!!! Hell, we all NEED you to get back into this madness again...... Hamburg just isn't the same with out the crazy old man up there...... ;p

Now just go and take a metal bat or pipe or whatever next door and take care of that PITA neighbor, and start again....... that is, if you haven't already.......

>>my sable was fine...her kids all look fine...I like sables...they are cool....grew well...bred well...babies all hatched well and fine..ate well enough....
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>>never heard this one before...........
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>>....heard most of the other stuff....makes sense that stuff mixed with woma or spider suck as far as fecundity...the spider is screwed up to begin with...so if you mix 2 genes it makes sense to get a bad deal....spiders are the one gene I am glad to have no more of...
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>>.....we are mixing so much stuff...plus the facts of individual snake health.....we'll all get some good some bad....
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I don't think that I have seen a bad Sable....as you say when you mix it. I have seen wobbling Super Sables though......

It seems to carry or activate the wobble when combined with the wrong gene.

SATAN
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Coral glows have a little trouble making males. F1 doesn't but F2 does..or something like that...I don't remember how Kevin explained it, but while he was explaining it, I understood it all. I find this sex linked "problem" to be very interesting. I would love to dable with it, so if anyone wants to ship me a coral glow or two, i will pay the shipping..lol.