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Should I know who Neil is? Deserts

mqbuchanan Jan 07, 2012 05:56 PM

All this Desert hulla-bulla, I have no idea who this guy is (nor do I "Big Gunns" (??). I've been involved in Ball Python morphs since the early 2000's, and have read a ton of books/websites about the history of them. I'm not much for forums but this has caught my attention (who Neil is could have been covered in several forums prior). This is the first I've heard of him.

I believe in his 17 thread post last night he claimed to have sold Mike Wilbanks his first Pied back in the day, I assume some bigger name old timers (I'm 31, what makes an old timer in ball python forum land? Keeping in mind the snakes probably at its all time highs of popularity and affordable morphs are not even 10 years old) Can anyone opine that Neil is a credible person?? Pete Kahl, Mike, Ralph, Kevin, PE guys, is Neil have credibility?

On Deserts, I have little in the game, 1 female in my collection. I would just say that I don't know of any species/morph that exists with a female not being reproductive (please don't tell me about a Liger). Maybe it's temps, maybe it's a hormonal thing (which I personally doubt), but I bet in the next two years its figured out.

I was told way back when I bought my first Pieds that they were all bad eaters... that proved to be untrue... the early generations always take a few generations to work out the "KINKS" (hahah), but through selective breeding results are produced.

I think the recent price drop in females is an opportunity, maybe it is as simple is dropping your February-March temps another 3 degrees...
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Matt Buchanan

Replies (16)

EvilMorphgod Jan 07, 2012 07:52 PM

Comparing Desert "issues" to Pieds is comparing eggs to chickens.

Hormonal "Which you doubt"....

Really, please expand on this "doubt"....

Why would you doubt that?

SATAN
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mqbuchanan Jan 07, 2012 09:30 PM

"Comparing Desert "issues" to Pieds is comparing eggs to chickens."

Not sure I am following this, please explain.
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Matt Buchanan

EvilMorphgod Jan 08, 2012 06:28 AM

>>"Comparing Desert "issues" to Pieds is comparing eggs to chickens."
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>>Not sure I am following this, please explain.

You talked about pied not being good eaters and that was changed..

Desert problems are not so simple!

Your quote:
Maybe it's temps, maybe it's a hormonal thing (which I personally doubt), but I bet in the next two years its figured out.

You doubt that it could be Hormonal...WHy?

Did you ask if they have Hormones?

SATAN
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mqbuchanan Jan 08, 2012 08:11 AM

Bad post... yes they have hormones.
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Matt Buchanan

mqbuchanan Jan 07, 2012 09:32 PM

Do cold blooded animals even have hormones?
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Matt Buchanan

DiamondFlame10 Jan 07, 2012 09:39 PM

Do they have a brain? If so, yes.
Do they have other glands? If so, yes.
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Caparu Jan 08, 2012 12:39 PM

"All multicellular organisms produce hormones"

Took all of 2 seconds
A pointer

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mqbuchanan Jan 08, 2012 03:35 PM

No, I have no internet access but somehow I am managing to post. I just dictate to my cat and somehow he goes over and types it into a box and it somehow appears on the world wide web....

Bad post on my part, yes hormons are involved, I have Green Tree pythons that go blue to prove it. Stupid, quick off the cuff post on my part... bad post...
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Matt Buchanan

robyn@ProExotics Jan 08, 2012 06:27 PM

I thought my Teh Internets was the only one that worked that way.
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PHFaust Jan 08, 2012 06:30 PM

>>No, I have no internet access but somehow I am managing to post. I just dictate to my cat and somehow he goes over and types it into a box and it somehow appears on the world wide web....
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I wanna see video of this. My cat has none of these talents.
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Brandon Osborne Jan 08, 2012 06:59 PM

>>No, I have no internet access but somehow I am managing to post. I just dictate to my cat and somehow he goes over and types it into a box and it somehow appears on the world wide web....
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>>Bad post on my part, yes hormons are involved, I have Green Tree pythons that go blue to prove it. Stupid, quick off the cuff post on my part... bad post...
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>>Matt Buchanan

Matt, not to necessarily disagree, but "hormonal" female chondros are just how people describe the lack of xanthum in the skin during breeding season. It doesn't prove it is a hormonal condition. For all we know it's a vitamin or mineral deficiency due to egg production and may have nothing to do with hormones. Again, not saying it isn't true, but we can't really "prove" it is either.
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Brandon Osborne Reptiles

zippy00_99 Jan 09, 2012 02:04 PM

Turns out they have internet on computers now...

JYohe Jan 08, 2012 08:36 AM

you probably don't really know me either....yet alot of big breeders know me either by name, or face ,and a bunch know both...ones I am around...ones that come to the PA or MD shows , or used to......anyways...we all don't know each other....

Neil...NY to FL and all in between....most people in the areas know who he is....he doesn't advertise all the time or do shows all the time or come in here all that much...so you may not know him....he's been around...he has alot, and sells alot...good stuff...nice stuff....he knows alot of the stuff going on behind the scenes we don't know , because we don't call all the breeders all the time...he actually does ...he is in the cliques we are not...

anyways....He is Cool...Neil's actually a nice guy....and says what he wants....which can get him in trouble ...even when he is correct......(I been there before)....

........he may actually have the best snakes you want!....

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mqbuchanan Jan 08, 2012 09:11 AM

Understood, thanks. I am actually in PA and attend most of the east coast shows (not white plains today though). Just trying to figure out where the guy is coming from and if he is credible in his statements on Deserts.
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Matt Buchanan

morphed Jan 10, 2012 12:53 PM

Lol, funny that you said that. I was in White Plains and Neil was actually there vending today.. Just thought id throw it out there. Ive known Neil for years (not saying as good friends) and have seen him at many shows from Daytona to White Plains over the past 10 years. We are all intitled to our opinions of people. I will not post mine here lol .. But i will leave it as we are not judging the "person" but his know how about ball pythons, and yes Neil knows ball pythons.

EvilMorphgod Jan 09, 2012 07:24 AM

always has great stuff at the shows.....super healthy. Not a lot of numbers but it is always perfect. He also will say whatever is on his mind(it appears).... I have done a few deals with him over the years..... very hard to get the final deal nailed down because he wants what he wants. He is fun for me to bicker with and joke around.

He has done a bunch of stuff with Pete Kahl.....

The Candy Ball as one.

SATAN
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