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Hatched this one last year and it looks totaly different than the normals in the clutch.
Showed it before but I still don't know what it is.

I'm likin' affinis for that one ...kind of a hypo though.
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Impossible my friend as both parents are pure multi het bullsnakes. Its the first time I hatch a baby like this from them.
Picture of the mother below, father is looking the same and I even think they are brother and sister.
I bought them as adults.

Pure multi-het? I'm not following that line of thought. Beautiful snakes but looking like some linage from the Christmas Mtn. population which leans very heavily Sonoran. Both animals appear more Sonoran than bull regardless of what they were marketed as.
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I can not say if you are right or wrong as I'm not an expert.
Who is by the way?
All I can say is that those snakes come from a wellknown breeder of bullsnakes here in Belgium.
If what you think is right well than I can say that a lot of bullsnakes here in Europe, normals and morphs are not pure bulls as this bloodline is the basis of a lot of bullsnakes sold overhere and some morphs animals in the US even originate from this bloodline.
I'm a little bit surprised about what I'm reading here as I've put pictures of those adult before and nobody ever talked about Sonoran.

"All I can say is that those snakes come from a wellknown breeder of bullsnakes here in Belgium. If what you think is right well than I can say that a lot of bullsnakes here in Europe, normals and morphs are not pure bulls as this bloodline is the basis of a lot of bullsnakes sold overhere and some morphs animals in the US even originate from this bloodline."

Well there you go, John. I still remember the '80s and '90s, when Pits were imported regurlarly, mostly Sonoran Gophers mislabeled as Bullsnakes. More often than not, those few and far between Sonorans properly labeled by their retailers, got mislabeled as Bullsnakes by their perspective owners later on, as in Belgium and The Netherlands all Pituophis species are commonly refered to as 'Bullsnakes' regardless. I've seen San Diego Gophers being sold as Bullsnakes, I'm not kidding! So you can bet the bank that this perspective compromises the integrity of many if not most European bloodlines, especially the ones involving morphs.

"I'm a little bit surprised about what I'm reading here as I've put pictures of those adult before and nobody ever talked about Sonoran."

Problem here is that Sonoran Gophersnakes can be very similar to Bullsnakes morpholically. Also, where their ranges meet intergradation covers hundreds of miles. In fact, many of the 'Bullsnakes' from SW Texas are quite hard to distinguish from Sonorans without locality data. This makes any claims regarding a mixed origin all the more debatable. Also, we can safely say many, if not most, Dutch/Belgian hobbyists are... Well, like you mentioned earlier, let's just say they're no 'experts', LOL.
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John,

We are all experts in varying degrees depending on how shallow or deep we are in the various aspects of Pit upkeep, breeding, field herping ventures etc.

What you have, based on your photos, are two very beautiful Pituophis that appear to have their origin or linage from bulls along the long contact zone that exists between bulls and Sonorans rather than from core (central) bull range based on details of shape, color and pattern. These animals most closely resemble (to me) the Sonoran appearing bulls that originate from west TX.

While these "what is it" questions are both fun and challenging, engaging in them such as I have comes with the associated risk of being wrong. Always better with a snake in person than from a photo but it is nearly always tempting to venture an opinion. Not mean't to be any more than that.

Cheers to you and your associates overseas,

Jim
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Sorry John, but I have to agree with Monklet and Pitfan on this one.
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Very cool! What is the story about that snake?
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Genesis 1:1

When I saw your photo I immediately thought Sonoran, but since I am not an expert on pits, I didn't want to say anything and be totally wrong! LOL! I have a brother/sister pair of Kingsville x Stillwaters, who produced quite a variety of babies out of a clutch of 5 young, a couple not even looking like the parents at all.
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