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Wayne's not happy boas got left off...

mpollard Jan 17, 2012 02:52 PM

MIAMI --
Four types of giant snakes that have been plaguing the Everglades are now banned from being imported into the United States or transported across state lines, federal officials announced Tuesday.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar publicized the new U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service rule during a visit to the Everglades. It applies to the Burmese python, yellow anaconda and the northern and southern African pythons, the four types of massive constrictor snakes that have become increasingly present in the swampland.

The snakes can grow to be 26 feet long and more than 200 pounds and threaten indigenous species. They've been found to kill and swallow animals as large as deer and alligators, and Salazar said they threaten all the work being done to restore the Everglades to its natural ecosystem.

"It does us no good to put in these billion dollars of investment in the Everglades only to have these giant invasive constrictor snakes come in here and undo the good that we are doing," he said.

The rule will be published in the Federal Register in the coming days. It will take effect 60 days later and applies to not only live snakes, but viable eggs, hybrids and gametes, which are the male reproductive cells.

"These giant constrictor snakes do not belong in the Everglades and they do not belong in people's backyards," said Sen. Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat who has been outspoken on the issue and who appeared with Salazar on Tuesday.

Pythons have become a growing problem in Florida's revered swampland. Many are believed to have been pets that were dumped once they grew too big; others may have escaped from pet shops during 1992's Hurricane Andrew and have been reproducing ever since.

Thousands are believed to be living in the Everglades.

The new rule omits five species of snakes that initially were expected to be banned, leading some to criticize it as watered down.

"This rule was swallowed up in the federal government for 22 months and put through a political meat grinder, leaving us with a severely diminished final action," said Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States.

Among those spared from the rule were boa constrictors.

Dan Ashe, director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, said additional species would continue to be reviewed for possible action, but that the four types of snakes that are now banned pose the greatest threat.

Besides the effect the new ban has on curbing an invasive species and protecting native wildlife, it could also protect people who are threatened by the snakes. Salazar, Nelson and Ashe posed with a 13-foot-long, 90-pound Burmese python that was found in a Palmetto Bay resident's pool last month.

In 2009, a pet Burmese python escaped from its terrarium and strangled a 2-year-old girl in her central Florida home.

http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2012/jan/17/1/officials-to-make-announcement-on-pythons-in-everg-ar-348255/

Replies (9)

perfectpredators Jan 17, 2012 02:58 PM

He better get used to it cause boas are not a threat to the swamps here!

Jeremy Stone Jan 17, 2012 03:36 PM

http://www.humanesociety.org/about/podcast/

Listen to Pod Cast 15.

This is the Exact Rhetoric we don't need. I can't believe they actually liken us to Pimping out 12 year old Girls. I am outraged at his comments. I don't know how he can get away with this crap. People still fund them? Wow!!!

Jeremy

LarM Jan 17, 2012 03:52 PM

Wow . . . I completely agree Jeremy how can he ( Wayne Pacelle) get away with likening us to Abusive , unlawful low lives such as Pimps of 12 year old girls.

This is utterly unacceptable language and I am thoroughly offended by these accusations !

. . . Lar M
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LarM Jan 17, 2012 03:42 PM

The main thing to understand is that this is a finalized Lacey Listing.

They can review other snakes like Boas but they will have to go through the entire process all over again to create a New Listing
and have any other species of Snake including Boas listed under this Lacey Listing process again.

So we Boa people and the Green Conda people , the Retic People and
Ball Python people are all fairly safe right now.

Furthermore keep in mind there are other ways left to pursue the present listing.

1) A Law Suit to call in question the Scientific process that
led to this listing of these Four species of Snakes.

2) The possibility does exist that a Congressional hearing and inquiry could delve into this recent Lacey Listing
process and call into question this unnecessary regulation of the Reptile Industry.

This doesn’t mean I will give up the fight it just means I feel safe that my Boas are not immediately threatened.

. . . Lar M
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norajohn Jan 17, 2012 05:16 PM

are the biggest pimps of all. They make use and take advantage of any tragic incident in the USA, whether a hurricane, or a child being hurt by a pet, to further their twisted "moral" agenda by using the incident as a fund raising tool. It has nothing to do with a true concern for animals; that has nothing to do with it. They actually feel that no animal should be subject to mankind's will.
Keep in mind they Pimped out the tragedy of Hurricane Katrina by picturing the stranded pets in their funding campaigns and raised a ton of money. They then did absolutely nothing to help those animals and in fact had to be sued by New Orleans before they coughed up money to build a shelter.

My fondest hope is that one day they are shown for what they actually are and taken down hard. Maybe then people that donate will go back to donating to groups such as The Humane Society that do good work and actually care for animals. Funny how people get the Humane Society of the United States mixed up with The Humane Society. Do you think HSUS choose a name as close as possible to an old well thought of organization on purpose? Maybe by doing so they can confuse donors enough to siphon off some of the funding that used to go to an honorable group; The Humane Society.

John Manser

LarM Jan 17, 2012 05:57 PM

Very true John . . . HSUS are a Parasitic group of imposters masquerading and deceiving compassionate people who care about animals.

It's a disgusting fraud played out in deceptive commercials aimed at bilking animal lovers out of their money through deceptive donations.

All donations that should go to the real Humane society and other compassionate animal organizations.

Even Politicians, popular TV and Movie stars are completely confused by this organization and it's true mission.

. . . Lar M
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dan80woma Jan 17, 2012 06:52 PM

This is why it is so important that we must educate ourselves about these so called humanitarian groups and any activist groups. What a sin it is to deceive animal lovers like my mother in law who have sent $$ to HSUS. She was duped, and will never send them another dime. Any ideas on how to best expose HSUS and PETA?

Amp Jan 17, 2012 11:36 PM

The same way that politicians do it, use media. Politicians always run smear campaigns against their opponents. Unfortunately this costs money. If there is a way we can put together a commercial exposing them for the what they really are, and then play it immediately following their ads, then maybe people would think twice about sending money to them.

In fact if we someone were to start a "pro-pet" lobbying group, exposing the deceit they've dished out, and ask for funds to support and protect our rights to keep whatever animals we want, then maybe we can shut them down.

I have no idea how to put this idea into motion, but maybe if the right people get word of it, it can work.

-Anthony

mpollard Jan 18, 2012 07:29 AM

It would be a major undertaking, but the best way to do it would be to gather as many people like your mother-in-law as one can find, people that donated money and felt defrauded by the deceitful and deceptive H$U$ advertising campaigns, people that donated money due to this misunderstanding, and have them file a class action civil suit claiming false advertising/fraud. Having thousands of people join a class action suit would bring the H$U$ down, once and for all. Even if (heaven forbid) the class action were lost, the damage done to the image of the H$U$ during the proceedings would be nearly impossible to overcome. And advertising/promoting the plight of the H$US would be free, it's "news"!

Just my $.02

Mark

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