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You weren't kidding! I'll get photos this evenign, following some drinking. They're really, really nice little kings. Look forward to seeing them grow and change!
Do you know whent hey were last outcrossed to fresh blood by any chance? Id ont' like to inbreed too many generations.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
Cool Paul.....I didn't think you would be very disappointed with that pair..
The original breeder of the pair I have that produced those only produced one or two generations of that particular breeding prior to me getting them. So yours are maybe F-3's. He was very much surprised and pleased to see what mine produced as well. The female that was used was from south Florida stock that Bill Schmeidecke worked with for many years, and the male with the wider cross-bands that was bred to her was of sulfur-based stock from Hillsborough County that apparently traces back to Len Krysko and some others.
I wouldn't worry too much about line breeding them a bit more, you could say for example......produce one clutch with your pair to keep the specific line going, and then outcross the male to some other females you have to make all sorts of other stuff like you wanted. That might be a great way to go.
cheers, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing" 
That's kind of my plan. I just didn't want to breed siblings that were the result of a sibling breeding from another sibling breeding from yet another sibling breeding...I'm not from Arkansas I may have to acquire some unrelated brooksi later on to do it with--these don't seem to be locale animals from what you're saying so just any brooks that looks good should be OK.
the female was camera shy
but the male cooperated, kind of. He's 19 grams on my scale (totally empty)
I also got a pair of these:
Black Tail Cribos!
that's the female--more cooperative than the male...she's almost 70 grams and 2' or so in length.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
Yeah, I can understand all that about not wanting to do an excessive amount of line-breeding(i.e. in-breeding), and that shouldn't be a problem there. That is correct, they are not a locality-specific bloodline of floridana. Basically a two different locality stock of floridana/brooksi bloodline.
Those guy's have an awesome feeding response now, so they will take off like crazy for you.......
That is a really nice Cribo too!
~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
....a very similar looking hatchling to yours that I produced in 2009.......
Same snake only 11 months later with plenty more growing and transforming yet to do. The peachy/light orange on the sides will develop into lighter yellow as it matures to where it is barely noticeable,....if at all.
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
>>That's kind of my plan. I just didn't want to breed siblings that were the result of a sibling breeding from another sibling breeding from yet another sibling breeding...I'm not from Arkansas I may have to acquire some unrelated brooksi later on to do it with--these don't seem to be locale animals from what you're saying so just any brooks that looks good should be OK.
What is wrong with inbreeding?
Any evidence of I'll effects?
Wild snakes have inbred for generations......eons.......nothing wrong with doing it in a snake room in my opinion...
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
Bill Love did quite a bit of inbreeding to get the Bloodred Corns, and they had lot's of problems associated with them, that even he admitted was from inbreeeding. He later outcrossed the bloodlibes, and many of the issues were corrected. They were very finicky eaters, with poor weight and many had very poor fertility issues. I had once heard they were sterile, but obviously that was not true. However thy did have poor fertility with hatchlings that were problematic. You can only in breed for so long, before un wanted traits start popping up. That's with any animal, and humans too, lol.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra
My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com
that's my thought. I don't think one or two generations is awful, but super strict inbreeding time in time out may cause things ot happen--I've heard of minor deformities in overly inbred albino checkered garters for one, and albino boas had a spate of things like kinked tails and missing eyes back in the 90s/early 2000s, possibly from over inbreeding.
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
Inbreeding is just the easiest thing to blame it all on........kinking and eyes not forming could quite possibly be the result of incubation temps, humidity and air flow inaccuracies.........
I guess all the deformities in the wild that are the results of so called inbreeding are absorbed because they do not survive or breed......
Also....maybe montane species are more tolerable.....I haven't seen any I'll results from inbreeding thayeri or ruthveni for four straight generations........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
Inbreeding is just the easiest thing to blame it all on........kinking and eyes not forming could quite possibly be the result of incubation temps, humidity and air flow inaccuracies.........
I guess all the deformities in the wild that are the results of so called inbreeding are absorbed because they do not survive or breed......
Kinda like when we pick for unusual traits or traits that we like. Sometimes these good looking traits also harbor deficencies.
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I forgot to mention on my other post. I have been itching for some cribos. I recently saw an ad for some unicolors that I would have loved to have bought, but money is tight, and they weren't cheap!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra
My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com
My dreams are those "golden cribos" siegel was advertising a while back but WC cribos seem dicey...and 700 bucks EACH!! JEEEZ. I'll hold off for now...
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
>>My dreams are those "golden cribos" siegel was advertising a while back but WC cribos seem dicey...and 700 bucks EACH!! JEEEZ. I'll hold off for now...
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>>We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
Yeah yjose are the ones! I think they are the unicolors aren't they?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra
My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com
I think he is talking about the Paraguyan corais. I like rubidus the best, this should be the year.....hopefully!
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Gerard
"Destruction of the empty spaces, is my one and only crime."
Mexican red tails?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
Jorge Sierra
My Site > www.Sierrasnakes.com
Oh yeah, I have to have some!
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Gerard
"Destruction of the empty spaces, is my one and only crime."
Congrats on the new Brooks! You scored greatly! Nothing like getting great snakes from good people, eh?
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Genesis 1:1
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