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Finally getting into the getula game...

Zach_MexMilk Jan 30, 2012 01:23 AM

I love Lampropeltis. I have kept a tiny collection of them for many years now, with my oldest snakes being a 11 year old L.t.annulata and an '02 L.pyromelana. My collection, with an exception of a gifted locality zonata, locality rubber boa and a locality pyro, pretty much did not grow. I realized I never had a "real" king--getula. Well, now I do! I was lucky enough be generously gifted two locality specific 2011 L.getula californiae from thier nothern range of the Santa Cruz mountains (Santa clara county). I LOVE how black and white the coloration of the snakes are and I really dig how dark the details of the faces are as well.

Being more of a field herper then hobbyist, nothing really beats locality specific animals!




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DISCERN Jan 30, 2012 01:31 AM

Congratulations on the new snakes! I am confident you will really love owning those fine locality specimens! Love locality!
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Zach_MexMilk Jan 30, 2012 09:56 PM

np

rosspadilla Jan 30, 2012 06:03 AM

Being more of a field herper then hobbyist, nothing really beats locality specific animals!
Amen to that, Zach. I like the light markings above the eyes on that king.
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Zach_MexMilk Jan 30, 2012 10:00 PM

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GerardS Jan 30, 2012 07:18 AM

You are right, nothing beat locality. Did you catch them?
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Gerard

"Destruction of the empty spaces, is my one and only crime."

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Zach_MexMilk Jan 30, 2012 11:46 AM

Indeed, nothing does beat having locality specific snakes. These were F1 (or if F0) hatchlings from a gravid wc female.

GerardS Jan 30, 2012 11:54 AM

That's my favorite way to start a group. Very cool man, post a lot of pics.
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Gerard

"Destruction of the empty spaces, is my one and only crime."

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

joecop Jan 30, 2012 03:21 PM

Congrats Zach. Hard to beat a stark white and jet black cal king!

Joe

Zach_MexMilk Jan 30, 2012 10:01 PM

Indeed! I really do enjoy dark black with defined white details.

DMong Jan 30, 2012 07:37 PM

Very cool Zach!. It is neat to know that you own some snakes that are very similar to one's crawling around out there right now from the very same locale. I love locality-specific stuff too.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"


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Zach_MexMilk Jan 30, 2012 10:03 PM

I know the feeling haha! Although I'm ok with wild collecting a snake (if non-commercial and ethical), I prefer CH offsprings--I am very paranoid of wild parasites and diseases getting in contact with my captive collection.

tspuckler Jan 31, 2012 05:17 PM

Those look good, Zach. He's a photo of their gravid mother as found:

And after being pulled out of the weeds:

Laying eggs:

Being relased after egg-laying:

Third Eye

DMong Jan 31, 2012 05:27 PM

That's really cool Tim!. Not something you see everyday with the progression pics like you did there..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"


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rosspadilla Jan 31, 2012 11:29 PM

Those are awesome pictures! Thanks for sharing!
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rtdunham Feb 01, 2012 04:52 PM

But first of all, Tim, a great photo series. It was exciting seeing being in the general area it came from. Zach's babies look great.

But this snake illustrates a point i've tried to explore more on the forums, without ever getting much response (disinterest? I'm not asking the question right? Or...?)

This snake's scales look pretty boldly white and black. But the snake has a dirty look, for want of a better term (no offense meant). Sorta a very, very mild case of the "grease king" look. And in this case, at least, it's clearly caused by the skin beneath the white bands being black, or dark, at least. Some of that skin shows at the margins of the scales, and that diffuses the contrast. I find that a little curious.

I've seen cal kings that are "clean" black and white, and in every case I've checked, those snakes have white skin behind the white scales. The question could apply to eastern kings, too.

So my question is: (and i know there are lots of you out there with specimens to examine, so we could get some good feedback quickly) Do some cal kings have skin that corresponds to the color/pattern of the scales, and some where that's not the case? Are the "clean" or boldly-contrasting kings always ones where the skin/scales colors align?

And equally of interest--to me, at least!--is to what degree is that an inheritable trait? Tim's female seems to have produced "clean" babies, though we'll have to wait til zach's put some more meat on them to be sure. (Actually, Zach, if you're willing, you could "stretch" the scales apart slightly on your babies to see whether the underlying skin matches the pattern on the scales). Have others produced "clean" babies from "dirty", in the sense I'm using the words here, or vice versa?

To broaden the question: What about other snakes, red rats for example. In what species or color varieties does the underlying skin pattern match the scale color/pattern, and in what instances does it differ?

Does anyone care?

tspuckler Feb 01, 2012 05:42 PM

Terry,

I've always been a fan of the high-contrast black and white "desert phase" Cal Kings. I too have noticed that adults lack the "clean" look of babies. I think in adults it's simply easier to see the dark pigment between scales. Here are some pics of three babies from the clutch (4 out of 7 hatched, one egg was infertile). If you look closely (I know the pics aren't very large) you can see dark pigment between the white scales of the hatchlings.

Tim

Zach_MexMilk Feb 01, 2012 11:50 PM

Terry,
This is a very interesting observation that I too have noticed on not only the gifted hatchlings I possess, but also in some wild snakes while herping. I don't have much to throw in on this matter, but look forward in reading responses.

When the snakes get a bit larger, I'll totally get some close up shots of the skin.

Zach

Bluerosy Feb 01, 2012 01:25 PM

Better yet!
Nothing beats recessive trait locality animals!

You would understand if you found a Amel santa cruz Mtn king or something like that.
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"Some don't consider that thriving.....I've seen the difference between being kept alive and allowing to thrive'

JLassiter

...Amen John!


www.Bluerosy.com

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rosspadilla Feb 01, 2012 02:27 PM

Better yet!
Nothing beats recessive trait locality animals!

I strongly disagree. Nothing beats "cooking" locality animals. lol


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Bluerosy Feb 01, 2012 03:55 PM


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"Some don't consider that thriving.....I've seen the difference between being kept alive and allowing to thrive'

JLassiter

...Amen John!


www.Bluerosy.com

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rosspadilla Feb 01, 2012 03:58 PM

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rtdunham Feb 01, 2012 04:42 PM

>>I strongly disagree. Nothing beats "cooking" locality animals. lol

I can't decide whether some pix are better off not shared, or whether some good might come of people seeing this pic. Opinions?

GerardS Feb 01, 2012 05:02 PM

I prefer squirrel monkey over spider monkey.
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Gerard

"Destruction of the empty spaces, is my one and only crime."

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

rosspadilla Feb 01, 2012 05:50 PM

Everything you see in that picture is just as natural as a snake constricting a mouse.
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