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I've seen hyper xanthic used, but what about hyperaxanthic? I seen a reticulated python with an increase of yellow pigment, called a hyperaxanthic. I thought the "A" in Axanthic meant a complete reduction of yellow and/or red pigments. How can you add hyper to that? Doesn't make sense to me.
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"I've seen hyper xanthic used, but what about hyperaxanthic? I seen a reticulated python with an increase of yellow pigment, called a hyperaxanthic. I thought the "A" in Axanthic meant a complete reduction of yellow and/or red pigments. How can you add hyper to that? Doesn't make sense to me"

Precisely Ross...good call. Yes, once again people don't know what the proper terminology is for the trait(s) they are talking about. Surprising,..hey?..LOL!

Actually, the "A" is the TOTAL ABSENCE of, not reduction. That is what the prefix "hypo" means, reduction of..... And the very yellow morph (over-abundance of yellow) of the retic you mentioned would be termed hyperxanthic just as you stated, unless of course it is the LACK of other colors giving it the appearance of actually having more yellow. Hyp"o"axanthic is a complete oxymoron just like you thought..

~Doug
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Actually, the "A" is the TOTAL ABSENCE of, not reduction. That is what the prefix "hypo" means, reduction of

Thanks for that, Doug. You are right, reduction should be substituted with absence.
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Sure thing. I figured you already knew that and just typed it a bit differently than you really meant was all. Just clarifying a bit there..LOL!.

~Doug
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>>I've seen hyper xanthic used, but what about hyperaxanthic? I seen a reticulated python with an increase of yellow pigment, called a hyperaxanthic. I thought the "A" in Axanthic meant a complete reduction of yellow and/or red pigments. How can you add hyper to that? Doesn't make sense to me.
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The correct term for exaggerated xanthin (yellow) should be Hyperxanthic........Hyperaxanthic makes no sense at atll.....But I think I've made that typo a few times here recently in a HN Blog.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Here's a question though.....
Is a high yellow "banana" California King Hyperxanthic?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"Here's a question though.....
Is a high yellow "banana" California King Hyperxanthic?"

Only if the yellow pigmentation is EXTREMELY intense and hyper-exaggerated, otherwise they are just very yellow looking from so much of the black missing in their pattern, so in turn more of their normal yellow would be displayed. So in short, basically they are not hyperxanthic in my opinion. It's good that they are coined "banana" kings actually, because it would sort of be a coin toss either way otherwise..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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>>"Here's a question though.....
>>Is a high yellow "banana" California King Hyperxanthic?"
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>>Only if the yellow pigmentation is EXTREMELY intense and hyper-exaggerated, otherwise they are just very yellow looking from so much of the black missing in their pattern, so in turn more of their normal yellow would be displayed. So in short, basically they are not hyperxanthic in my opinion. It's good that they are coined "banana" kings actually, because it would sort of be a coin toss either way otherwise..LOL!

That is the exact point I wanted you to make Doug....
A pattern mutation is not a pigment mutation.....
Just like the Applegate Phase Pyro is not Hypomelanistic because it has reduced black pattern not reduced black pigment.....The black it does have is black. The black is not reduced to some shade of gray or mocha or lavender......

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yep, I fully agree. We always seem to be on the very same page with terminology and what terms literally apply best to a specific form or genetic mutation(s).
We both know that so many folks toss certain terms around and label things without much regard or knowledge as to what they really mean.

~Doug
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>>But I think I've made that typo a few times here recently in a HN Blog.....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>>>But I think I've made that typo a few times here recently in a HN Blog.....lol

Dangit.....This iPad is killing me....hehehe

I just checked and I did use the terms Hyperxanthic and Hypoxanthic correctly....Lucky I guess.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

LOL Yeah, its just one of those mistakes that come naturally. Maybe the guy who wrote that on that website made the same mistake. Who knows...
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I caught myself almost doing the same sort of typo during the course of this thread... It's not hard to do sometimes. especially when you are repeatedly going back abd forth with the different terms that only have a one letter difference that are worlds apart from each other ..HAHA!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Zenny started a thread a good while back about some Floridana that he believed were HyperXanthic. The gene was from a Super yellow Sulfur from Brandon Osborne, but Zenny said he proved it out to be recessive. I tried for 20 minutes to find it but I had no luck. I think that if it is proven to be recessive then it's safe to call it hyperxanthic. Any thought? As for the hyperaxanthic, that doesn't sound right to me either.
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>>Zenny started a thread a good while back about some Floridana that he believed were HyperXanthic. The gene was from a Super yellow Sulfur from Brandon Osborne, but Zenny said he proved it out to be recessive. I tried for 20 minutes to find it but I had no luck. I think that if it is proven to be recessive then it's safe to call it hyperxanthic. Any thought? As for the hyperaxanthic, that doesn't sound right to me either.

It doesn't have to be proven recessive to be hyperxanthic.... But I believe it should be proven by some inheritable way and reproducible..... Not an anomaly....
Codom and dominant would still prove it out.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yeah, I remember that post Zenny made a good while back too. As long as a snake has an OVER-abundance of yellow pigment(xathine), and the phenotype is not from a lack of other pigments, then it would be very acceptable and accurate to call them "hyperxanthic".

Now technically, even if a given snake doesn't prove the particular extremely yellow phenotype to be 100% reliably heritable, the individual specimen itself would still technically be "hyperxanthic", it's just that we as breeders, and the hobby in general tend to coin traits that ARE passed onto the offspring far more reliably so we can label them as a particular type, and not simply a variant.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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the individual specimen itself would still technically be "hyperxanthic", it's just that we as breeders, and the hobby in general tend to coin traits that ARE passed onto the offspring far more reliably so we can label them as a particular type, and not simply a variant.
But its much funner doing it that way, Doug. hahaha What good is a hyperxanthic snake if you can't reproduce more...lol I get what your saying, bro. If I had a hyperxanthic king and couldn't get it to produce more, I would just keep that name to my self for argument sake. lol
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"But its much funner doing it that way, Doug. hahaha What good is a hyperxanthic snake if you can't reproduce more...lol I get what your saying, bro. If I had a hyperxanthic king and couldn't get it to produce more, I would just keep that name to my self for argument sake. lol"

HAHAA!!........for sure Ross..LMAO!!

Yeah, when selling it in an ad, I don't think I would be mentioning it either..HAHA!!!..

~Doug
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Thanks for looking. It would have been an interesting read.
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>>...Doesn't make sense to me...

Oh, so NOW we're gonna expect herp naming terminology to make sense?

You got that right...lol
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