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First it was the scaleless texas rat, then the scaleless cornsnake, now it's the scaleless everglades. Soon we'll be seeing a scaleless kingsnake. Am I to believe that all of a sudden these scaleless snakes are popping up all over the place?
Or is this a case of hybridization and intergrading? What gives?

I don't know about the corn snakes but the glades must be. Everyone likes to make Mongrels now. Just like the WS floridana, it's so easy to mix stuff and say what ever you want. The scaleless Death Adder is amazing, goggle it.
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Gerard

"The only difference between myself and a madman is that I am not mad."

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GONE FISHING!!!

" Everyone likes to make Mongrels now. "

Not everyone bro. There are still some who care about the hobby, and who provide us with pure specimens to further the propagation of the hobby, and the species, as a whole.
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Genesis 1:1

I can only hope that we NEVER see a scaleless kingsnake...

Snakes need the scales for movement/climbing...who wants tiger without legs?

Okay, that is oveddone...but please think about!
What would you do when such a snake hatches out of your clutch?
I would feed the piranhas...I don`t wanna make $$$ witch such a creature...

In the end it is a matter of taste, money and ethics...

That'd be my instinctual reaction but I haven't seen antying about scaleless snakes having more health problems than non-scaleless either so maybe the insctive reaction is wrong
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.

>>Snakes need the scales for movement/climbing...who wants tiger without legs?
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I don't think a sweaterbox snake does much of anything where it needs scales. Sits in aspen all day. Has food brought to it. Has mates brought to it. Clearly, in captivity, these scaleless snakes do just as well as scaled snakes.

Albinos have a distinct disadvantage in the wild, yet this hobby goes ape over them. This scaleless trait is not too far removed from a color morph: it doesn't hurt the snake (I think), it doesn't stop its ability to succeed in captivity, and it is an oddity just like many color morphs, especially multi-morphs.

We all have our limits I guess. I would love to have a scaleless Western hognose if it existed

This is a sensitive question, some will scream NEVER and other would like to have them...
I just pointed out my opinion ...

Albinos may not survive in the wild, they will end as easy to spot food for predators...but scales have a biological function for the snkes, not only movement but think about protection...

In captivity a snake can have a long and healthy life without scales...but to me it is not something like a color morph,and like a double-headed king a scaless king would not live long here...but be sure that i would never report about such a mutation anywhere.

yours
Michael

I don't foresee this oddity becoming all that common in the market. Genetically impractical.
I have a pyro who is from an egg that hatched twins. The breeder I got her from thought she was going to be two headed when the egg pipped and two little heads poked out. He says my chances of getting a two headed snake are higher with her. But I don't really want that. Deformaties gross me out.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

>>I have a pyro who is from an egg that hatched twins. The breeder I got her from thought she was going to be two headed when the egg pipped and two little heads poked out. He says my chances of getting a two headed snake are higher with her. But I don't really want that. Deformaties gross me out.

I fail to see any reason to expect twins to be more likely to produce two-headed babies. Sounds like mumbo-jumbo or basic misunderstanding of genetics. Did he/she offer any justification for that opinion?

Maybe the breeder meant that twins are more likely from a twin, and then twins developed incorrectly can end up as a 2-headed snake. That is one heck of a claim. Bob, breed the snake a hundred times, then we may know.

"That is one heck of a claim"

Yes, and Daniel Parker will no doubt be flooded with cash when he produces entire clutches of bi-cephalic offspring with his two-headed Hondo he just recently produced this past season..LOL!!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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The breeder wasn't guaranteeing any two headed snakes, just a remote possibility. I bought the twin because I like her pattern, not in the hopes of getting any freaks. Because I raise fence lizards I've had folks ask do I ever get any albinos. Thankfully no. How would an albino lizard bask in the sun and get the beneficial UV rays. Mother Nature occasionally makes mistakes but I am not interested in upping the odds on creating some poor creature that is unfit for basic survival.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

>>How would an albino lizard bask in the sun and get the beneficial UV rays.

Very quickly!........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

"very quickly!..."

HAHA!!

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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