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Checked the temps, they're fine, took a fecal test to my vet, no parasites, two hide boxes, on newspaper. What other reason could it be? Should i just leave him alone for a couple days and try feeding again? He ate two pinks then regurged them then he again 3 days later and regurged again. Could it be stress because he has a new cage and home? Thanks for all your help. I have another corn that i got at the same time and from the same place and he hasnt regurged once and is being kept in the same set up. Thanks for your advice.
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oh just to be clear the two snakes arent together they just have the same cage set ups. A 10 gallon with two hide boxes and the same heat pad with water dish and newspaper.
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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." -Charles Darwin

"I am turned into a sort of machine for observing facts & grinding out conclusions"-Charles Darwin

"Man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system- with all these exalted powers- Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin." -Charles Darwin

"A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone" -Charles Darwin

"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an improved theory, is it then a science or faith?" -Charles Darwin

If the temps are ok then try snaller food. Maybe a pinkies head or just the abdomen (sp?) or you can cut a pinkie in 1/2 long ways. The food might just be to big. Some snake especially hatchling the aren't feeding (or keeping it down) like a warmer hot spot. I had three hatchling almost starve to death this year. I thought I was going to have to put them down. I force fed and turned the cages up from 80 - 83 and they seem in be doing fine for about a week. Then two night ago one of the connectors for my heat tape came loose and the temp dropped to about 74. Both snakes threw up. Got the temp back up and feed them and they are doing fine. So, you might want to increase the temp just a little more. It won't hurt him/her. Their natural range is for 60-90 of course 75-80 is the optimal.

tom

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FIRST OFF...Kudos for seeking a vet.'s advice!!!

I would have to agree...From the information I have gotten from the "pros"...i.e. Rich and Kathy...Try pinkie heads. I have a 2001 pair of Hypo. Bloodreds that are smaller than yearlings due to regurge problems. As stated in the previous post the temperature is crucial to digestion. I would recommend the temperature be around 80 degress which is the middle of the road for corn snakes (75 - 85 degrees). You might even need a spot that is closer to the high end of that.
Neonates act only on instinct...Some tend to eat whether there is a problem or not. Sometimes causing themselves a bigger problem then they had to begin with. If a snake regurges too much it can remove the essential bacteria needed for digestion.
Before I recommend anything for that problem please try just pinkie heads until the snake is keeping it's meals down. As it gets bigger you may find the need for a product called "Nutri-Bac". This product adds the "good" bacteria back to the snakes system that initiates digestion. I have used it in the past and had great success with it. Trust me I do understand your concern because I have been there myself. Good luck!!!

Mike Pinkston

Regurging means it's being fed too large a prey size or being overfed.Give your little guy a couple of weeks for his body functions to get back inline then feed smaller items at longer intervals.Double check your temps also.They will regurge if it's to hot.I cant stress enough to wait before you attemp to feed again.....Paul.

I know im frantic all of my other snakes have never had problems, the temp is an even 84 degrees on the hot side and 79 on the cooler side. I'll wait till the 12 to feed again thanks for the advice!!!

It seems like everything ive learned all just goes blank when you have a problem with your own animal.

Thanks again
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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." -Charles Darwin

"I am turned into a sort of machine for observing facts & grinding out conclusions"-Charles Darwin

"Man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system- with all these exalted powers- Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin." -Charles Darwin

"A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone" -Charles Darwin

"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an improved theory, is it then a science or faith?" -Charles Darwin

I had my two drop dead amazing Miami's from Kathy Love regurge on me once or twice and I initially got pretty nervous because:
1.) I'd never had that happen before
2.) I thought Kathy would kill me for being deliquint with her incredible animals...

In the end I was overfeeding and learned that a certain amount for one hatchling does not always mean that all the other hatchlings can "hold" just as much.

Slow and steady wins the race....

I didnt want to say anything but i also had a corn regurge.And your right i bought a trio of hypo's and 2 can eat nonstop but the one get's only one meal a week.And you know what?She is bigger than the other 2 now.Go figure!!!..Paul.

The wait until I can feed her next is going to be the end of me.
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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." -Charles Darwin

"I am turned into a sort of machine for observing facts & grinding out conclusions"-Charles Darwin

"Man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system- with all these exalted powers- Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin." -Charles Darwin

"A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone" -Charles Darwin

"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an improved theory, is it then a science or faith?" -Charles Darwin

My suggestion would be to relax, don't panic, and don't start cutting pinks just yest. First, wait at least 7 days past the last regurg to offer food again. Offer it one small, WHOLE, pink mouse, and then leave it the heck alone.

You fed it two and it regurged then you fed it immediately again... of course it regurged. The first regurg even could be because each pink was too large or just because two were too many. If it has only regurged those times, I would NOT start cutting on pinks - especially if it was feeding for the guy you bought them from. If it holds down the next meal, just take it slow. If it doesn't, I'd take it BACK to the vet (and not just a fecal), where they may want to hit it with a low dose of Metronidazole in a Sucrose base just for theside effects (picked up appetite) or even Benebac. At this point, I'd try the pink head, but if it regurgs a single small pink after waiting a week, there is something wrong that feeding it a small meal won't solve (except maybe to give it some nutrition from a food item too small to regurg). Start looking into your cage set-up (which sounds fine but do you have a max-min thermometer in there 24-7 one the cool and warm end where the snake hangs out? If not, don't trust your temps), causes of stress to the snake, etc. Remember that one fecal doesn't tell the whole story. LOTS of things are intermediate shedders in the feces.

KJ

Give it time to recover.
Give it at least ten days from the last regurgitation.
When you feed again just give it one small pinkie.
Even if it does keep this one down, don't get in a hurry.
Give it another full week before feeding again.
Go with a smaller pinkie the second time also.
If it keeps both pinkies down then the next feeding you can go to a little larger pinkie and work your way up from there.
my 2 cents
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Jimmy (draybar)

In another post you say (one of) your corns is being fed 3 pinkies a week, and it just hatched? Is this one on a similar very heavy feeding schedule? If that's the case, I can see why it regurged. Also you said you handled them every other day? I would back off the feeding a little bit. After giving it some time to recover, about a week or a little longer, start feeding one appropriate-sized meal every 4 or 5 days. Sometimes what one snake seems to handle will not work with another.
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i know you think it would be but the one i was talking about before is my anery corn which is doing just fine on three pinkies a week. My wild type corn is the one regurging and is eating less. Yes I handle them every other day and this is the first problematic animal I've had. Thanks for the help!! Im going to back off feeding for a a couple weeks. Ill keep ya'll updated. Thanks again.
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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." -Charles Darwin

"I am turned into a sort of machine for observing facts & grinding out conclusions"-Charles Darwin

"Man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system- with all these exalted powers- Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin." -Charles Darwin

"A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone" -Charles Darwin

"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an improved theory, is it then a science or faith?" -Charles Darwin

If anyone else wants it, let me know.

Good luck!

Hi Kathy i would like Faq about regurge...Thank you..Paul Yancick..

That was suppose to be a EMail..sorry..

I'd like the information. I have a tiny bloodred who just regurged a pinkie, while her mate eats very well, they are both in the 80 degree temp range, 84 to 78 depending on the side of the cage.

Oooops, my email is alabastard@comcast.net

You read about the stories others have told and until it happens to you, you don't really understand how much stress it involves (on the snake and the owner).

She is resting in her hide box at the moment.

To whomever asked me if i have thermometers in the cage, the answer is yes it shows 86 degrees directly on the heatpad and 79-80 cage temp.
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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." -Charles Darwin

"I am turned into a sort of machine for observing facts & grinding out conclusions"-Charles Darwin

"Man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system- with all these exalted powers- Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin." -Charles Darwin

"A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone" -Charles Darwin

"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an improved theory, is it then a science or faith?" -Charles Darwin