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Black Lozier Canyon:

Sanderson locale:

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Genesis 1:1

Wow!,.....love that true hypermelanistic specimen!..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Thank you sir!
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Genesis 1:1

Almost solid black! I like the red dot on the first gray band of the Sanderson. Is that an East Sanderson?
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Jorge Sierra

Thanks Jorge! I gotta take a good outdoor pic of her. Excuse the lame in-cage pic.
I had lost the parental breeder registry concerning where in Sanderson it hails from, a few pcs ago, as Damon S. had sent it to me after I received the snake back in 2003.
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Genesis 1:1

>>Thanks Jorge! I gotta take a good outdoor pic of her. Excuse the lame in-cage pic.
>>I had lost the parental breeder registry concerning where in Sanderson it hails from, a few pcs ago, as Damon S. had sent it to me after I received the snake back in 2003.
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>>Genesis 1:1

Then it's a generic......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>Then it's a generic......lol
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>>John Lassiter

To the micro locality guys in the Alterna forum it is. So are mine I guess, since I don't have documentation going back to the person who caught the parental line. I bet they still sell just the same, if not better. Most of the true locality ones, are fugly. "Most" not all, there are plenty nice ones. I will be needing a male E. Sanderson by next season, but since I don't have pedigree papers on the females, the male won't need them either.
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Jorge Sierra

>>>>Then it's a generic......lol
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>>>>John Lassiter
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>>To the micro locality guys in the Alterna forum it is. So are mine I guess, since I don't have documentation going back to the person who caught the parental line. I bet they still sell just the same, if not better. Most of the true locality ones, are fugly. "Most" not all, there are plenty nice ones. I will be needing a male E. Sanderson by next season, but since I don't have pedigree papers on the females, the male won't need them either.

Calm down Beavis!
Didn't you see the "lol" at the end?
And you are right about one thing...Alterna sell regardless if they are generics or not.
But....always a but, lol...Many, I mean MANY wild alterna are stunning. Fugly is your opinion with some, but many find that more attractive than the bright oranges and dare I say...blues....lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>Calm down Beavis!
>>Didn't you see the "lol" at the end?
>>And you are right about one thing...Alterna sell regardless if they are generics or not.
>>But....always a but, lol...Many, I mean MANY wild alterna are stunning. Fugly is your opinion with some, but many find that more attractive than the bright oranges and dare I say...blues....lol
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>>John Lassiter
>>Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Beavis?!? What the heck? This place is waaaay too touchy lately.

I just read my post again, just in case I may have said something that could have come across in the wrong way? I don't think it was abrasive in any way? I was merely stating my opinion on the whole Papers thing, for the Alterna. "L O L ."
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Jorge Sierra

I guess you read my reply wrong too....lol again
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>I guess you read my reply wrong too....lol again
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>>John Lassiter

Calling me Bevis, doesn't sound friendly? I have yet to call you any names, John. That's cool, I guess it's contageous.
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Jorge Sierra

>>>>I guess you read my reply wrong too....lol again
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>>>>John Lassiter
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>>Calling me Bevis, doesn't sound friendly? I have yet to call you any names, John. That's cool, I guess it's contageous.

Wow....found a nerve I wasn't even looking for.....it's a phrase or saying not name calling....but whateva.......no more Beavis cracks, I promise.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Sorry guys had to post it.....No hard feelings
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>>Sorry guys had to post it.....No hard feelings
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Cornjulio........lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

you keyboard commando you its not nice john, your just a mean ole name callin bully
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

my website www.barmollysplace.com

......and major instigator

I guess you got real bored with the BOI, huh?
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Dingle, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. You don't have run from me when I show up where you are......stay and dance.

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Gerard

"The only difference between myself and a madman is that I am not mad."

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

Many, maybe even most, of the best looking graybands I have seen were wild caught. By best I mean brightest orange, lightest gray, cleanest colors, etc. Captive borns are way more consistent as far as there being a higher percent of good looking captive borns ones but the mind blowing one of a kind specimens are often wild caught.
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www.hcu-tx.org/

I've spent long hours sifting thru archived pictures of locality Alterna, on several of the Alterna sites, and Yes I have seen some incredible looking snakes. I guess my statement comes from checking the classified ads for quite some time. So are the mind blowing ones only sold to buddies, or are they becoming a thing of the past. I rarely get excited looking at the Alterna ads lately when it comes to locality anyway. Now having said that all but one of my Alterna is locality. They're just not Alterna Kennel Club registered, lol. Sorry for the corny joke.
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Jorge Sierra

I guess the best ones usually are sold to friends, if they're sold at all. Most people I know won't sell any wc grayband - too much sentimental value. But awesome ones are definately not a thing of the past. They still get caught and there's many produced every year but I guess alot depends on what you consider mind-blowing. One thing to consider is the colors often don't fully come in until they're a year to 18 months old so with cb babies you're always taking a chance. Seeing the adults and comparing clutchmates helps.
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www.hcu-tx.org/

There's actually a couple nice ones for sale right now. Thanks for your input! I always appreciate your opinions Aaron.
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Jorge Sierra

Oh I got documentation, it is saved on discs.
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Genesis 1:1

HA HA!!!!
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Genesis 1:1

Wow, those are very nice, Billy. Love the colors on the Sanderson's and the black one is amazing. Does that darkness come in over time or are they born like that?
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>>Wow, those are very nice, Billy. Love the colors on the Sanderson's and the black one is amazing. Does that darkness come in over time or are they born like that?
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I wanted to touch on this so I wil answer for Billy and hope he doesn't get too upset.

The black comes in over time. Not like a melanistic thayeri that hatches out nearly solid black but more like a black phase mex mex that ontogenetically darkens.

So, with that being said are the dark alterna and dark mex mex truly melanistic? I don't know, but they sure as heck aren't recessive like melanistic thayeri.
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Thanks, John. I wouldn't know what to call them either. I bought a juvi Grey band a long time ago that looked a lot like Billy's Sandersons, except in the orange there were darker speckles, rather than lighter ones. His orange darkened up quite a bit and the closer to the tail you get, the darker the red bands got. They were completely black by the time they got to the tail. The gray bands didn't darken at all. I hated the look of the snake at that point and got rid of it. If all the bands would have darkened to black, it would have been nice.
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>>Thanks, John. I wouldn't know what to call them either. I bought a juvi Grey band a long time ago that looked a lot like Billy's Sandersons, except in the orange there were darker speckles, rather than lighter ones. His orange darkened up quite a bit and the closer to the tail you get, the darker the red bands got. They were completely black by the time they got to the tail. The gray bands didn't darken at all. I hated the look of the snake at that point and got rid of it. If all the bands would have darkened to black, it would have been nice.
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Kinda like this old gal I used to have?

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

That one actually looks nice to me. The one I had had more orange in the first 2/3 of the body. They gradually got darker the closer they got to the tail. Maybe I didn't give it long enough to darken in on the other bands? I had for at least 4 years.
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That is really nice John!!!
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Genesis 1:1

Good post John!!
Yea, the Black Lozier Canyon, at birth and at a year old, looked like a very dirty blairs phase alterna. Over time, the orange bands filled in with black.
It was really cool to watch!!
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Genesis 1:1

>>Wow, those are very nice, Billy. Love the colors on the Sanderson's and the black one is amazing. Does that darkness come in over time or are they born like that?
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The ones I have got considerably darker as they grew. Here is one similar to Billy's but from East Sanderson locale (without papers lol)

Hatchling 2009

Now

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Jorge Sierra

Wow, I do see the difference there. Thanks!
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Hatchling 2009

Now

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Jorge Sierra

That's a pretty snake, Jorge. Looks like the grey darkened up some.
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Loving it bro!!!
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Genesis 1:1

Jorge..that is a beautiful snake bro!!! I love it!!!
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Genesis 1:1

>>Wow, those are very nice, Billy. Love the colors on the Sanderson's and the black one is amazing. Does that darkness come in over time or are they born like that?
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Dark Black Gap alterna...
Before

After

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Another awesome example of why alterna reign!!
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Genesis 1:1

It comes in over time my friend.
I need to take a decent pic of her.
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Genesis 1:1

Sweet! That dark one is nice.
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Gerard

"The only difference between myself and a madman is that I am not mad."

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GONE FISHING!!!

Thanks so much Gerard! Much appreciated!!!
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Genesis 1:1

Billy great alterna! I like how the orange is speckled with black and white. Gives those bands a calico type look.
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Thanks dude!!!!
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Genesis 1:1