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I'm sure most everyone knows a little bit about the Citrus story, but you might not know about Flames. Citrus is Amir's line of pastel, Flame is his line of fire. There has been considerable debate about the Citrus project and what Citrus can or can't do, and if there is perhaps another gene involved with the Citrus. I believe there is another gene involved. My evidence for that is my Citrus G-Stripes. About half of them are much brighter and have a different look. But for now that is enough about the Citrus G-Stripes, this post is about the Citrus Flames. I'll do the Stripe story at another time. Flame is Amir's line of Fire. It produces a black eye lucy with a tendency to have some yellow blotches, it also has a little more reduced pattern than a fire. I have several Citrus Flames and also what I believe is a Citrus Flame Bee. The CF Bee has a sibling paradox Queen Bee. There were multiple sires of the clutch, a Citrus Flame and a pastel butter. The dam was a spider. If one is a Citrus Flame Bee and the other is a Queen Bee, I hit all of the odds on both snakes. I'll find out more this year by breeding the Citrus Flame male to more spiders. I don't know why the Citrus Flames are so bright and the Citrus Flame Bee is so pale, I like both looks but can't explain the difference.






This is a good comparison shot.
If you are in Tinley this weekend you can view a couple of the Citrus Flames in person, feel free to contact me for details. If you have made it this far, thanks for reading, I hope you enjoy the pictures.
Mike Bell
mikebellreptiles@comcast.net

Beautiful Mike!

Your CFB looks to me like it has lesser in it but that's just my opinion. Love the pics!

Any news on your mystic/lesser clutch?
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Best regards,
AlanColesReptiles

Alan,
It might be butter, at first I thought they were both queen bees (pastel butter spider) but i have hatched a lot of queen bees and they all look like the #2 snake. I had them as new hatchlings at a show a couple of months ago and showed them to everyone. Everybody thought they were different, not just different variations of queen bees.
Hopefully we'll find out with breedings this year, I'm using the citrus flame male with spiders and bees.

I didn't get any potions, I hatched some BEL's that I didn't know the genetics. I have a few mystics and mojos from those clutches.

WOW, Very beautiful.
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1.0 pied
1.1 Possible het pied
1.0 het albino
0.1 het albino possible het pied
1.1 albino
1.0 spider
0.1 pastel
1.0 mojave
0.1 normal
0.1 fire?
1.1 leopard gecko
1.2 bearded dragon
0.0.1 sulcata tortoise
0.1 black lab
1.0 cat
0.1 quarter horse
2.1 children
0.1 wife (15 years)
fish

Great looking snakes as always Mike

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Jason Amos

Ball Pythons
6.40
Dogs
1.1 Staffordshire Bull Terriers

in my opinion you have a paradox citrus queenbee and flame citrus queenbee.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Sorry Josh. It's not possible per the breeding. Mike said, " There were multiple sires of the clutch, a Citrus Flame and a pastel butter. The dam was a spider."
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Best regards,
AlanColesReptiles

Ahhhh. Didn't see that part. I would say 2 queenbees then. But 1 is obviously nicer.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

but then again, after seeing a citrus flame over at GCR, I think there is certainly more going on with them than a regular firefly. I will say this, the animal in question here is different looking than my fire bumblebee but with citrus and flame blood that could be why. Have fun breeding these out.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto

Various Ball Pythons, boas, dogs, cats, fish, a couple sulcatas and a few other odds and ends.

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!