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Ive posted this in a TON of forums abt sankes and boas and ive had one response... does nobody know what kind of red tail boa i have. I want to say from the research ive done she lookes like bwc jungle... shes way too light to just be a regular boa... in my mind anyways. Can anyone tell me? is there ever a way to even know for sure??

i also cant seem to figure out how to add more that one picture to one post... so heres another picture of her

and I basically agree with what was said. It looks like a non-morph boa.

Yes, it is lighter than the AVERAGE boa, with a more intense tail than AVERAGE, but it still appears within the realm of normal.

If that were a BWC jungle, you'd know it... because your bank account would be hemorrhaging money because NO ONE would give it away for free.

Also, this isn't the best site for boa forum participation. It used to be, then the TOS was invoked by the moderators one too many times and the user base here fled like rats on a sinking ship for forums which were more tolerant of open and productive discourse. The "old school" people really only come here because it's like an old high school hangout - nostalgia! And because OCCASIONALLY (like, once or twice a year), something gets posted here that hasn't been posted elsewhere too. So, don't take the lack of replies personally.

jb
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What's written above is purely my opinion. In fact, MOST of what you read on the internet is someone's opinion. Don't take it too seriously

Jonathan Brady
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>>Also, this isn't the best site for boa forum participation. It used to be, then the TOS was invoked by the moderators one too many times and the user base here fled like rats on a sinking ship for forums which were more tolerant of open and productive discourse. The "old school" people really only come here because it's like an old high school hangout - nostalgia! And because OCCASIONALLY (like, once or twice a year), something gets posted here that hasn't been posted elsewhere too. So, don't take the lack of replies personally.
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>>jb
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Hey Jonathon,

That excuse cant work anymore. The heavy handed moderation has left the building. Perhaps instead of attacking the site, you might want to add value to it.
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>>The heavy handed moderation has left the building.

I wasn't aware of that to be honest. It's a shame that they drove away a lot of the great contributors to this forum. This really was THE boa forum to come to.

My guess is the majority of people who used to post here are now comfortable on the sites they've migrated to

The main reason I don't really start any threads here (aka: contribute) is that the BCC crowd are all now consolidated on another forum so sharing here doesn't really accomplish much. If a person were to measure interest by the number of replies to a thread, the BCC threads receive very little interest here but on other sites, the interest is OVERWHELMING. I've seen the same thread posted here and on another forum and it'll get zero replies here and literally 30 or 40 elsewhere. Personally, if I'm going to go through the trouble of posting a thread, I want to make sure it gets seen (and I'm sure others agree) so it doesn't really make sense to post it here, ya know?

I do try and contribute occasionally when I see something going on that obviously needs some attention (animals need the help more than the owner, for instance).

jb
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What's written above is purely my opinion. In fact, MOST of what you read on the internet is someone's opinion. Don't take it too seriously

Jonathan Brady
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what moderating interference happened? curious to know what occured and since im intruding, let me interject and state that i think forums slow down a bit in the months pre-litters. i like this forum a lot. i like the drop down line of comments over a number and a bunch of pages which is like the norm in all forums globally i noticed. I had a heated post in another forum that was upto 1400 views and nearly 100 replies and one morning it was gone, not sure what was said over night or what in it was so awful. i do know the same thread was placed here and it got ugly but its still there...thanks.

I thought surely that the KS KGB would stop it Manny. To their credit, they didn't.... Conflict breeds resolution. Open HONEST discussions are always appreciated by this enthusiast....

I'm glad that Jeff has decided to let us have our heads a little. I hope this attitude continues. About time KS boa forum has some substance instead of fluff from the Fab Five.
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Regards,
Buddy

who is lucky enough to be in the fab 5 ?. I like reading about fluff !

The damage has been done, there will be no return for many
This is a political USARK lobbyist corroded zone and those of the founded
constitutional free have long since left the building.

Founding constitions will save this Country, following the ralley cries
of USARK will soon be evident.

Vote Manny 2012 !!

some people's none-sense is best left deficated elsewhere. but meanwhile here you are....

>>I thought surely that the KS KGB would stop it Manny. To their credit, they didn't.... Conflict breeds resolution. Open HONEST discussions are always appreciated by this enthusiast....
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>>I'm glad that Jeff has decided to let us have our heads a little. I hope this attitude continues. About time KS boa forum has some substance instead of fluff from the Fab Five.
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>>Regards,
>>Buddy

Hey Buddy,

I hope that this discussion will help clarify that things are different. And while Jeff hired me in the position of site coordinator, I am the one who made the changes and decided that open discussions like this are welcome. Keep the selling off the forums in the classifieds, keep the personal or dealer attacks away and leave the F bombs off the keyboard and we will get along SMASHINGLY!
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Interesting concept, why wasn't it instated sevreral yrs earlier ?
When at shows and personal meet and greets reptile folks don't
act like they have forced to do here.
It would be good to see this place genuinely reflect the hobby
that supports it

Excellent!
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Regards,
Buddy

I agree about the "drop down" format. Maybe I've "imprinted" on it since this was my first Boa forum, but it's easier for me.

I think I must have missed the “Moderation Incident” to which everyone is referring. I can't figure out who the Fab Five are either. I’ve been laying low lately.
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Aaron Houts
www.voodoomagicboas.com

...would be an "edit" option.

I'm on an Oscar forum that has it and it works great!
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Aaron Houts
www.voodoomagicboas.com

Drop down format is ridiculously stupid. You guys are kidding me when you say you prefer this to a few pages of scrolling down but seeing everything at once?

You would rather click and open only the responses u choose or have the time to click on???
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40 Bci's
3.3 Corn snakes

What other site has such?
CORRECT!!! Answer "none"

I find it quite appealing, i see all the names of everyone thats answered without have to scroll through every page, and i see more than just the most recent poster. i like the views but its not a huge deal to me. This is a custom job forum. the one that everyone is using is sold by vbulleting out of the box for a few hundred dollars and just looks like something out of a box. i gotta give Kingsnake credit for at least making a custom one of their own. AND IS WHY IS THE ONLY ONE LIKE IT BECAUSE IT TOOK WORK TO DO IT.....

>>I agree about the "drop down" format. Maybe I've "imprinted" on it since this was my first Boa forum, but it's easier for me.
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>>I think I must have missed the “Moderation Incident” to which everyone is referring. I can't figure out who the Fab Five are either. I’ve been laying low lately.
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>>Aaron Houts
>>www.voodoomagicboas.com

For quite some time, moderation here was often quite heavy handed. To make this point clearer, I have been a moderator here for about 10 years before I took over the role of site coordinator and began running the day to day on our site. Prior to that change, *I* as a moderator had several posts hidden by those over me. Now things are different. There is a herper in charge again.
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Well if anything the fact that this thread is still here and we are still discussing it is point in fact that moderation has changed. Many people choose different places to call home, on the net. But if you are going to respond, a half hearted response to the poster and then slamming the site is terribly unproductive.

So the point is, if you are going to make a response, make it a productive one. People will always go to a variety of sites. If you are going to come here and play, give it effort. It will help the community as a whole. More bringing together, less separation is a good thing.
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Hi Cindy,

While I agree with JB that fewer and fewer "locality boa people" are using this boa forum...why I don't understand as some of the other "forums" JB might be speaking of have too much trash talking and not moderated enough in my opinion. Some of those trash talkers probably don't even work with locality boas. I only use this forum to post pics or to comment on others pics(Dr. Diaz and others)and WILL continue to do so!

Once my repeated suggestions to kingsnake.com to seperate locailty boas on the classifieds from morph boas...I knew I would have more responce to my ads and I HAVE!!! My customers kept telling me they had to scroll through pages and pages of boa morph ads to find locailty boa ads...and now they don't...so thanks to kingsnake.com for that!

Anything that is evolving in life can improve via suggestions and communication...so, I encourage ALL "locality boa people" to contribute to this boa forum! While we compete a little with each others for sales, we are a UNIQUE boa community!
Thanks, Charlie

Very well put! thank you.

gee, thank you Manny!...with the last year you had with those amazing litters!...and your support of the boa community via USark & meeting with some of our elected officials!!!...we are a unique community that can have possitive change and move forward!Keep up the great work!-Charlie

Well, I just received a nasty e-mail from someone that said I was putting down boa morphs...NOT TRUE!!! While at this time I'm only working with locality Red-tails...I have been drolling and admiring Red-tail boa morphs that Manny Frade(Perfect Predators) and Jeff Ronne(Boafile)and others have been working with and producing!!!!!...and may work with a morph or two in the future!

My point in a prior post was that I really wanted to see kingsnake.com have seperate sections on the classifieds for Red-tail boa morphs and locality red-tails as they are different and once kingsnake.com did seperate them, things improved!..but that change came via communication and suggestion!

The whole Red-tail boa community RULES and has come a long way since I have been working with Red-tails(30 years), so lets keep it moving in a possitive direction! Thanks, Charlie

there are people that will take a compliment and turn it into a put down. i read you loud and clear and i am a "major" morph breeder with a "minor" in locale as i do have some, Bolivian Amaral's, Peruvians, Suri, Argies. I love BOAS! i love morphing them because its something that can only be done in captivity. and the combos are so endless, where for instance a suriname can be made more and more "choice" (whatever you consider choice fill in the blank) but it is still going to be a choice Suriname and its not as appealing to me. HOWEVER HAVING SAID THAT. I resepct others that like that over "morphing." i love muscle cars, some of my friends like keeping this stock some like modding them to something totally custom their likes. I respect both! I am close with the Diaz brothers and with Jeff Ronne and I find awe in wonder in both their works and then I do in my room what I find passion to do for myself. I dont expect anyone one to like it, although I hope they do, HOWEVER I do expect everyone to respect it as its a labor of love like any other. I will never ever trash a project, cause its someone's labor of love. Even if its Dog ugly to me, its still "in the eye of the beholder" and in every case it's always an opinion whatever i say about it as none of us own the "FACT." my opinion may be popular, may be unpopular but the ony FACT is that it is always an opinion. I will say im not a big fan of true red tails bred into central american bci, colombian is where i draw my line, BUT to those that have done it..to each their own.

I picked up what you put down, I saw you were expressing your interests and were not down playing those of others. It is your right to opinionate that you would like a locality specific forum. I like that idea too, it will perhaps pull overseas collectors where locality is a bit more popular. And even though i would perhaps contribute little to that forum, I would visit it often enough and enjoy the fact that others are enjoying themselves on it. So disregard whatever idiot had his pants in a bunch this morning cause your message was recieved very clear as you saw in my intial comment/reaction.

Thanks Manny!-Charlie

Charlie I understood your post completely, sometimes people have problems with reading and comprehension.

They read some words and interpret those words entirely differently than those words really should be interpreted.

Separating Morphs from Locality Boas in KS Classifieds helps both
sides when searching through the Classified Ads

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

I Support USark.org

A site that can not and refuses to correctly spell
a locale as simple as Hog Island on a classified directory
one can not expect much more.

This place is a morph mecca that depends and defends
those invested in "projects".
They now have

SMOKEN
Screaming
Stunning

All to themselves ...........
Link

To late for that,this place was warned several times and paid
no heed to the suggestions an warnings.
Many of us were here long before your redundant fab 5 that rule
all things KS BCI currently, the sub-culture ranks have dug into
a more old school hobby user friendly sector.
Those seen posting to this forum have what they have, the morph money driven
concept is worn a many sore and thin.
The survival of this hobby is not dependent on a lobbying entity
Regressing to its founding roots will ensure those unbridled by fame
fortune and social status. Understandable it sounds radical but it has already
been set into action and several truly new topics will remain
In private circles.

This was once a cool place to socialize it resembles returning to a burned out
dwelling shell.

we would be much better off if you did not return...but meanwhile you still come back. a glutton for punishment. a consistent characteristic...

theres people that brighten the room when they walk in and theres those that brighten it when they walk out...guess which one are you?

Who am I?
I'm someone who isn't jaded by USARK
Someone that's been keeping reptiles longer then you
have lived this life and someone that knows there
Is plenty left in the shadows that hasn't gone public
from day one.
Mark my words there is news forth coming
and we anxiously await fruition the what's was clearly
forecasted

so you're the root of all evil.

and you have nothing but the crazy between your ears. go sell crazy somewhere else. your buds in your new much better forum might subscribe to your mental newsletter but you're not selling subscriptions here.

you're a glutton for punishment and you would love nothing more than the right of trading boas over state to be removed so your reptile felon prophesy can come to reality. you want to be abused by the government like many battered victims like recieving punishment and crave and long for more. youre a glutton for punishment and you keep coming here cause you like not liking it here. wonder if you're a cutter or put out cigarettes on your body.

you can be keeping animals as long as you like, you're still doing it for all the wrong reasons, perhaps youve been doing things wrong so long you dont know whats right any more. i toy with you cause i know you enjoy it youre a sick puppy...

may I ad that the "old School" or many of the "big name" breeders only come in here when they want to puff up some new snakes that they produced. Otherwise you wont see them. There are(I'm not including myself) plenty of qualified forum members and even some old school guys in here. For example, Jeff Ronne from Boaphile being one of the more active(and yes, old school....sorry Jeff)participates and answers posts and questions pretty often I think. Thanks. Mike Panichi
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The other side of old school do not puff their animals,
Our collections have never been about marketing or social
approvals. Jeff has been around a few,even he should know how to spell
Hog Island in a classified header. But clearly he doesn't by his current
F/S ads. Many lines in the hobby are blurred, many on KS and due to KS
have been totally erased and replaced with the "New Order"

Not hateing,just stating a few facts that have driven many away
I first signed on KS back in 2002 a huge step from the early days of mailing list

The "Lists" are coming back in favor of politically biased (sanitized)public/social venues.

Vote Manny 2012!!

Yeesh, you're making me feel old. I remember those lists. In 1995, I received one of my first price lists. It was a beautiful glossy color booklet from Seven Generations Reptiles. They specialized in Orange Pueblan Milksnakes and now, their line is almost completely gone. They had the BEST! Now, I only know of two people who still have them and kept them pure to their line. I like many other forum members,(or not, now that I think about it) started breeding snakes in 1995. Colubrids of all sorts was my game and I was good at it. I was a true egg man. This is why it kills me when people in here are so eager to throw burms(or any reptile for that matter) under the bus just to save our boas. It just isnt right.
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Mike i dont know anyone thats throwing burms under any bus. we're just dealing with the problem at hand. the bus came rolling over the burms and we're just trying to keep it from running over the boas too. there's a couple guys, you being 1 that keeps seeing phantoms on this issue. We're trying to save Boas and not trying to throw the burms to the wolves in the process. however all those that loves their burms and want to save them be on the vanguard of the fight, in stead they're trying to be snipers and airmen. they need to get more front and center because i would not expect any more heavy lifting by any other group than by my own. having said that and before you take it the right way, im taking this burm issue very serious as it already tried and is re-trying to take boas with it. However it is my belief that we are all fighting to save boas and burms as we cannot give up any turf or then it becomes and uphill battle. having said that, we already lost turf....again other than in your cynical view on politics and just people in positions to do good or bad, where are their clear signs of burms being sacrificed for the furtherment of boas. and dont tell me its your gut cause your gut is very cynical...

oh my god man. Yeah Manny, I know. I heard you. Clearly, I'm not the only one who holds this position but just so you know, my response wasn't directed at you so lets not get crazy. You are NOT the spokesperson on this topic. Let it go already. There are PLENTY of breeders(again,no need to throw names around but you know who they are) who believe that its Burms now, and everything else just as soon as they get their chance to take it. There is no need for you to continually fight against that. Just deal with it. You simply cannot respect OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS. Again, its a case of you being right and everyone else being wrong. Stop your BS and post up some snake photos already.
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you're sounding like the politicals you dont like and avoiding my question. you said pretty clearly a statement i have never seen any evidence of and i pay attention pretty good. here's youre statement:

"This is why it kills me when people in here are so eager to throw burms(or any reptile for that matter) under the bus just to save our boas. It just isnt right."

i know its not directed at me, thats for sure. not anywhere close to the police for this nor the authority, dont claim it nor wish it but i do want to know where this has happened outside of you're head. but if you have no basis for that its ok. or send me a private message, cause i'd like to know who are these eager people in here...

i know too well its burms now and boas and everything else is a target eventually. in fact its a bill right now submitted by a congressman in FL. where did i ever look oblivious to that? i deal with it by being engaged, and doing my best to stop it if possible. i think thats how "deal with it" is best described. not doing anything is hiding from it, or running from it. i dont throw, or threw burms into a lost cause file, i wish we could keep them. in my state for years now theyve been banned. Now trying to keep the boas, as so should you and anyone else if they care about boas, should do as well.

Our issue, yours and mine, has been for a few weeks now you think im wasting my time for trying and i should quit trying cause the government is evil/stubborn/too powerful or whatever you said/think. you will never convince me of that and i hope i can one day to show you what many many people are doing bears as a result. even if we do lose them, which i highly doubt, i could never feel right if i hadnt tried, that never sits right with me....

I never said to quit trying Manny. Stop with your drama. So what, your informed. Big deal. You take pics with the USARK people and a politician from Florida. So what. Where were you in 2005 when NY decided to make Burms, Rocks, Retics, Anacondas and some Monitors illegal? Where was Marc Rubio? Where was USARK as a matter of fact? Where? I wasnt even talking to or about you but since you brought it up, you absolutley are acting like the forum police here. Again, just a couple of posts ago, yet another person(someone who is known for his amazing line of fairly new high end boas and who has a SOLID reputation)came in here and said the same thing. And again, you attacked his opinion as well. This is what you do Manny. PM you? For what? Who I speak with and who I discuss these things with is none of your business. You have made it very clear that you dont agree with me and I really dont care. You should really consider the REALITY that not everyone sees things the way you do. It aint just me pal. You just plainly cannot admit that. Look, the way I see it, we are a very large group of people with a common interest. We come from all walks of life, we have had different life experiences, we live in different parts of the country and we will all see things in a different light. It is not the Manny way or the highway. Sorry about that but thats how it is. I'll say this one more time since you like to suggest otherwise. I fully support USARK and their efforts. I dont have access to the minutes from USARK's meetings or hearings nor was I present in any of the back room, under the table discussions or compromises that I'm sure took place. I'm pretty sure(and you'll correct if I'm wrong, LOL) that you were not privy to them either so you really have no idea how boas got through and burms didn't. You say we "lost" burms so we should just continue to press on. I say its possible, again Manny, POSSIBLE that Burms were "given" to them so we could keep other snakes, which I think is wrong. The next time, will we have to "give" them boas? If you dont think this is a possibility Manny, you really dont know about politics like you think you do. This is the nature of politics no? USARK is a lobbyst group correct? Deals will be made Manny. Thats how the machine works. Stop being so naive. Anyway Manny, stop bugging me about it. Just like no one is going to change your opinion, you will not change mine.
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Unfirtunately its not good consistency.You're always wrong. Your opinions are your own. But you make wrong accusations and then disguise them as opinions. I knew you had no basis for what I read. I wasn't there to help you're new York rule nor was I even able to help myself in FL. USARK is 4 years old maybe. Founded cause of what happened in local governments. Before them we ALL sat arouf and read the paper and prayed. Now theres something being done. You're not being informed is the only factual thing you've said. And finally i see you fessed up to something. Your statement I quoted was nothing more than a false accusation and an assumption that makes you look like a jerk. If others want to let you come in here and say there's many eager guys trashing other people that don't keep what they keep that's on them. I was only curious, but since you're got all bent out of shape it tells me that was a made up line you did. Shame on you, coming into a forum and accusing people or projecting on people your cynicism. That's wrong, these are your colleagues, Im well aware there's tons of opinions, it's when people get offended when I ask how they based they're opinion tells me there's something wrong. I form my opinions on relevant information, not on Elliot spitzer was a 2 face or Nixon was paranoid, there's twisted people in church let alone in politics. What you feel how you do about the subject of the ban or USARK I was hoping youd state something directly related to actions by people/groups re the ban . USARK a lobbyist group- hah! Wrong. Do you know what a lobbyist group is? They gave the burms to the government! Ha! USARK must be pretty powerful. Marco Rubio is at least something. Beats sitting around making false accusations made up fairy tales of conspiracies... I put up a post on boas. Go enjoy them, i put it up for my pal mike panicci, and appreciate them too and for as long as others keep fighting so we can all continue to appreciate them.

Manny, you are really an idiot. You have this thing about being right and getting the last word in. You're like my wife. You always seem to ignore key words like maybe and possibly. You also continually ignore the fact that others have shared the same thoughts. Very typical of you. I have been a member of kingsnake almost from the start and one thing I have always noticed, in whatever forum I was in, there is always one or two self appointed forum policeman. In this forum, most of them are gone but now we have you. Get off your high horse Mr. Forum Policeman. Stop bugging me with your nonsense. I told you, I get it. You're right and I am wrong. Its something I will have to live with. You have a personal problem with me and I get your point. By the way, you spelled my name wrong.
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Along with the moderation were the baboon troops
that raided every thread that didn't suit someone in the fab 5.
I have volumes of archived assaults I've saved the last few years
that show the reasons folks let this place die.

MANNY 2012 !!!

USARK has laid out some ground work with the OH representation and OH reptile keepers such as Dan Brown, for next weeks crucial hearings in Ohio, where boas, burms and most any large reptile has been put on a ban list because of the suicidal maniac that released a bunch of huge cats and bears and then offed himself. This sort of organization is what they do and i have evidence it will serve for a lot of good. Its a way to curtail what happened in our states in years past. i hope you see some good in that.

furthermore CT, has boas off the same list due to heavy calls and some grassroots activism. see mike theres a lot of evidence out there just waiting for you to ignore it.

Again clown, I will say it slowly for you. I think USARK has done a good job with the boas. I am not against USARK. You have to stop this nonsense. Anyone who posts something you don't like, you get crazy. Enough already.
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And of course the moderator's, I will end this nonsense Mr.Manny. Go ahead and get your last words of wisdom in big shot.
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LOL, RIGHT !

Mike, you and I went at it last week. You and Manny this week. Not sure why it has come this, but Manny should be praised for his passion and efforts. You have plenty of passion as well. Nobody is saying we are happy, nobody wants to throw burms under the table. I believe USARK is looking to sue the Govt on the burms ? We are just saying we need to keep fighting. The obvious that the politicians are crooked for the most part should go with out saying. Why do you bring it up ? We cant change the fact that they are crooks , but when they hear our UNITED voices , the crooks do listen , and the proof is in front of our noses. Maybe one day all pets will be banned, but then again they may not. I was taught to fight against what you can control, and not worry about what I cant. When u have a piece of scum like reptile felon on your side, you might want to reconsider your outlook.

Look. I dont even know what your name is because you dont sign it in your posts. I'll assume its Dan and forgive me if I'm wrong. I dont know reptilefelon, I dont know boabud. I dont know Andrew Potts(other than he has bred some of the best looking animals I have seen and he has a solid reputation). But all three of us have said generally the same thing and have been attacked by you two for it. You and I squashed the thing last week, yet here you are a week later, AGAIN telling me whats good for me. Stop playing forum policeman. Thats all I ask. I can almost guarantee you I have been breeding snakes longer than many of the people who frequent this forum. Especially lately. I have made many friends in this hobby(which by the way I dont just consider boas) and I dont mind saying, my reputation is pretty darn good. When I decide to defend or align myself with someone, you will know about it. Also with respect to BOA breeders. I have personally spoken to more than a few(not little guys like me but big breeders like your boy) who said the same thing about throwing burms under the bus. You dont have to like it, but its out there. You two must acknowlege that. I am not looking for trouble and I am not looking to make enemies but I will NEVER take crap from anyone. Especially when someone is trying to shut me up. Now, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse but scroll up and look at the new posts on Marco Rubio. Form letters it sounds like to me. This is all I tried to say initially. After I while, after having received enough of them, I said I wont write them any more. Is that so bad? Thats me and my own personal observation and opinion. You two went nuts. Will you now attack the authors of the new posts? Stop chasing after everyone who disagrees with you. Let it go man.
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I am not making it personal. The fact that Rubio sends out form letters doesnt mean he doesnt care.You cant reply to thousands of letters with a personal reply. You choose to see only the negative in this matter. There are tons of negatives for sure and what is so weird, is that I am in agreement that it sucks that we have to be put through this crap. No police here at all, but you are the one who is responding to what is hopefully a better day in this long fight with hate. I dont get it. I have been breeding boas and pythons since 1991 by the way and you are quite the detective. Yes my name is Dan Brown. I suggest you start a negative thread with your own original thoughts , and not try to defecate on a positive thread. Too easy to be negative. Much more difficult to come up with a solution. I scratch my head at the bitterness ????????

But Dan, with respect to this thread, I wasn't talking to you or Manny and that's one of the points I have been trying to make. And that is the main reason I feel like I need to keep calling you guys the forum police. So its ok to respond to your posts or any posts for that matter, as long as I agree. You and Manny however can swoop into any post at any time to correct whatever it is that you two feel needs correcting. Is that what your saying? I know that Rubios form letters are nothing that any other politician doesn't do which was also one of my initial statements that you two assaulted. I dont know Rubio personally and have nothing to say badly about him. For the record, I have started(again, the forum police mentality) my own posts about this topic. As a matter of fact I was one of the first and you know what happened? Cindy I believe her name is removed it. When I asked her why it was removed, she stated and I quote, that this ( our fight against the ban) has nothing to do with politics. Go figure. Anyway Dan, stop feeling like you need to set the record straight. Also Dan,you bring up reptilefelon, yet you and your partner are hovering over the forum waiting for him to post like some sort of psycho ex girfriend just so you can attack him.
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I haved vowed to never respond to reptile felon. He is trash . A phony and a hater. Didnt know Cindy removed a post. Too tired tonight to go past this. Lets all hope and pray we can keep the animals we love.

I have not responded to reptile fool since I made my promise. I see his garbage, but do not reply. I urged everyone to do the same, but im not the police.

I am with you on that. I don't know anything about reptile felon. Why you have such venom for him is just not my business and I don't go with the flow and dislike someone because its popular or my peers do. He has done nothing to me personally other than share some thoughts in a post in which you and Manny became involved in. Also, over the course of time, I have had several non political posts removed for no reason at all. Even for mentioning the word paradox. And I'm not the only one. Another thing that reptile felon said which was immediately attacked. Anyway Dan take care and have a great season. Mike Panichi
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Tell them till your blue in the face
They are self appointed forum thugs, they both do this on other
forums they are on.
Their types were always picked last for kickball
at recess , in real time where they do not have the edge
And or protection of a keyboard things are very much different.
That genre is what society generally knows after the fact as randomly
deceased.

I personally,eagerly await the opportunity for a personal meet and greet
with either or both. Their personal views and opinion of me will
be greatly demolished when they find I don't carry a purse.

Scum? Such hurtful words
Can your daddy whip my daddy too?
Your another of societies sheeple bending
to the systems every order.
I've worked hard to achieve isolation and insulation
from devolutionist that choose the path of degeneration
from their ancestors.

Vote Manny 2012

I dont know of anyone who wants to throw burms under a bus. The fact that we werent organized cause them to be put under a bus. They are now under a big bus. A USARK lawsuit may be able to move that bus , but lawsuits are so expensive. Ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Outstanding JB, most of us left this joint 2-3 yrs ago
understanding where this place was enevitably heading
Several private circles are thriving due to all the sanitation of the public forums.

meanwhile here you are...

Which will always remain twice that of you, my banner is still
advertising my reputation is bomb proof
Keep fishing ........

Vote Manny 2012 !!

you've made an iron clad reputation. thats the only thing about you i cant disagree with.

I'm sorry, but that is not a BWC or a Junlge.
It looks to me like you've got a clean, but very "normal"
Colombian or "Common Redtail Boa" - Boa Constrictor Imperator

Just my $.02, but I'm sure others will agree.
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Normal BCI
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Regards,
Buddy

Thank you!!!

Crissa

Here's a BWC Jungle...

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Like I said else where that is a normal Colombian type Boa with a very nice bright tail and
very nice lighter than average base color.

Other than that she's a normal Colombian Boa.

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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haha thank you!

No way to know what it is without knowing what the parents were. Probably getting no response , because no one can help.

like this fellow:

Amie

Wow he is SaWeet Amie N/P

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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this one is super killer too but i see what looks like jungle and het albino markers so i dont know if its a fair comparison!

He's just the product of an Inferno pastel x Orangetail hypo. No albino and no jungle

Amie

wow beautiful. there were 2 signs of what i thought could be going on.. but its more impressive it isnt the case. having said that, your animal is way to cool to compare. great boa.

Awesome! Thank you for the comparison! They look a lot alike!

Crissa

So... totally normal boa?? Is this the concensus??