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going to get this guy friday from a friend. what type of milk is he?

This is usually Mr. DMong's department but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Pueblan Milk Snake.

Gerry

that's what i was thinking after looking at some photos of various milks. just wanted to double check. thanks gerry

Yeah, Mr. Mong is in need on this one. I am thinking the same as Gerry but think there might be another ssp in the mix.

Joe

I have to agree with Joe here. Looks like a pueblan but may have some other ssp. genes in there. Not real noticeable by the pic. Just saying that by the way the pattern is. Could possibly be just an off pattern too. My suggestion is try and trace back the lineage to see if anyone mixed it with anything. Good luck with it.
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Well, I would have to agree with the others here. Even though it isn't what you would call a real classic "textbook" L.t.cambelli phenotype, there isn't anything I can see in all of it's individual characteristics that indicates it has other triangulum influence in regards to it's outward visual look. But this is certainly not to say it could not have some very distant low percentage geneflow from many generations ago.

The only way to know any of this for absolute certain would be to see the other sibling offspring and past parental lineage. But for all practical purposes from the photo, it looks to be a fairly typical Pueblan milk that appears to have a fairly commonly seen aberrant trait regarding the black ring "cross-overs" being displayed. The "oreo" morph would be a drastic accentuation of this. Extremely thin "U" or "V" patterns on the snout (like in this photo) is a typical characteristic of many campbelli, as well as the very wide forward-positioned temporal band around the head, the RBR count (16 to vent on that one), the very symmetrical spacing and thickness of all the different rings with the exception of dark pigment heavily encroaching onto some of the red rings and so on pretty much are all indicative of a Pueblan milk and well within the meristic range. In short, I don't see any noticeable intermediate traits of other species or subspecies influence in that individual...

cheers, ~Doug
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Thank you everyone! very informative post doug, i appreciate it!

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