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Hi everyone, I bought this guy a while back as a Florida king, but the more I look at pictures he looks like a speckled to me ?

What do the experts think ?

Thanks in advance and sorry for the poor pictures
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Looks to be a straight-up whitewall holbrooki to me as well. I see absolutely ZERO evidence of any cross-bar patterning whatsoever. And the head looks like classic spec to me also.

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>>Hi everyone, I bought this guy a while back as a Florida king, but the more I look at pictures he looks like a speckled to me ?
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>>What do the experts think ?
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>>Thanks in advance and sorry for the poor pictures
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That is a White Walled Holbrooki.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

....just to be contrary, I'd say it's more Floridana in pattern/looks...

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>>....just to be contrary, I'd say it's more Floridana in pattern/looks...

Maybe but Whitesided Floridana never have those high sidewalls like Holbrooki........I wonder if there are any white crossovers like holbrooki have......Floridana do not......not that I've seen anyway......

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I agree it looks like a white wall speck. The bummer part is maybe the parents are one of each sub? Are the mutations compatable genetically?

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>>I agree it looks like a white wall speck. The bummer part is maybe the parents are one of each sub? Are the mutations compatable genetically?
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>>L-

I have no idea if they are compatible, but I bet they are if they are truly both getula genes......

I know the Holbrooki white wall gene is definitely from white walled holbrooki found in the wild......

And everyone knows the speculation with the whitesided Floridana.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

I agree the Specks the only one that has a solid history.

L

Thanks for all the replies. I am in the UK and think with it being a holbrooki it might be even rarer than if it was a florida ?

I have a couple of hatchling speckled already, 1 normal and 1 albino

Given that I am in the UK and speckled's aren't readily available ( only recently seen hatchlings for sale) What would be the outcome of breeding him to a normal or albino ? (100% doubt I can get another whitewall )

On a different note, and I don't want to start a war as I know some people don't agree with hybrids, but what would the outcome be if bred to a Florida ? Again not many white walls around so would probably be either a normal or possibly a jelly maybe ?

As you can tell I am not the least bit up on genetics

The whitewall gene is recessive so if you bred it to an amel or normal or lavender you will get normals that are heterozygous for whitewall. They will be double hets if bred to an amel or lavender but only single hets if bred with a normal.....

Raise those babies up and produce double homozygotes....not many of them at all.....Just a few amel whitewalls.... but no lavender whitewalls that I know of....or no yellow amel whitewalls.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Thank you for your help

If any of you guys has any info that could help me get a female holbrooki whitewall over to the UK please let me know. Even trying to find 'normal' grown on female holbrooki is a task in itself

I have contacted two people regarding female holbrooki here in the UK only to find they were florida's once they sent pictures

Thanks again

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