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Over the holiday weekend I actually had some time to go back and read some old school Vivarium magazines I had from 15 yrs ago. I came across some stuff that really has disappeared from the hobby or just never amounted to a hill of beans to anyone. Check out these prairie kings, with this ssp. being so easy and such a good temperament, how come these are not still around? Does anyone know if they are still being worked with?


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Or here, what ever happened to this one? Anyone know the background on this? ( I did email Larry to ask him)

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>>Or here, what ever happened to this one? Anyone know the background on this? ( I did email Larry to ask him)
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Interesting alterna.
That thing reminds me of the aberrant, striped thayeri that Paul Lynum picked up last year...
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Here's the link to the Leonis that John is referring too.

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1934101,1934101

I see some similarities between them. Not enough to insinuate anything. Paul listed the people that had that line and traced it back to Lemke, right?
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>>Here's the link to the Leonis that John is referring too.
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>>http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1934101,1934101
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>>I see some similarities between them. Not enough to insinuate anything. Paul listed the people that had that line and traced it back to Lemke, right?
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The only insinuation I want to point out is how similar the mexicana complex kings are and that alterna are part of the mexicana complex....as well as ruthveni.
Line breeding can bring out some very unwildlike characteristics. And it is interesting how similar looks occur throughout the entire mexicana complex....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Oh, sorry took another way. That look is totally different then the Amealco ruthveni stripes. I wonder if your mexmex line breeding will result in that form or have a tendency to lean more like the Amealco ruthveni.
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>>Oh, sorry took another way. That look is totally different then the Amealco ruthveni stripes. I wonder if your mexmex line breeding will result in that form or have a tendency to lean more like the Amealco ruthveni.
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Yea but one of those thayeri are very similar to the aberrant ruthveni look. Remember that the alterna and leonis phase are very similar.... Just as the MSP phase, ruthveni and blairs phase are similar....

And I hope that one day we will find out about mex mex striping but I think it will be similar to that alterna....the mex mex we have in our hobby are similar to the alterna or leonis phases.....but there are banded mex mex in the wild as well...
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Holy CRAP!!,........Looks like he fed those things three square meals a day!

Yeah, weird how stuff disappears and/or never proves out to be genetic. Sure seems like so many pass away too unfortunately for different reasons.

Maybe he fed those snakes to death Jimmy, who knows......

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

"some are just born to troll and roll"

"Maybe he fed those snakes to death Jimmy, who knows...... "

Hahaha! Might be, I was thinking the same thing but they are some sweet looking prairie kings! I am hooked after getting the few I have. Would be nice to produce some strawberry red ones like that.
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"Would be nice to produce some strawberry red ones like that"

Sure would Jimmy, their color and patterns were definitely very cool.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

"some are just born to troll and roll"

I want that starburst or whatever they called it...daaaaamn
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.

I agree, none of my amel's are that red they are more yellowish and pink. I do have a really dark het female that will be bred to my amel male. Maybe be they will become more red?
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>>I agree, none of my amel's are that red they are more yellowish and pink. I do have a really dark het female that will be bred to my amel male. Maybe be they will become more red?
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Use a mole king...... They are more red....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yea, okay you Mad Scientist!
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>>Yea, okay you Mad Scientist!
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Lol..... You can trace your amels and hypos back to wild caught lineage?
That strawberry thing in the mag was derived from wild caught animals?
Who knows?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Lol..... You can trace your amels and hypos back to wild caught lineage?
Nope, does that matter.

That strawberry thing in the mag was derived from wild caught animals?
Who knows?

Exactly, who knows! And that is the whole reason for me posting to find out about those animals. Thanks to Charles he posted what he remembered it to be.
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>>Lol..... You can trace your amels and hypos back to wild caught lineage?
>>Nope, does that matter.

Not at all.....Just justifying the cross......since they may be crosses already.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Yeah, weird how stuff disappears and/or never proves out to be genetic. Sure seems like so many pass away too unfortunately for different reasons.

I actually bought those Starburst prarie kings and raised them up to adulthood. I lent them to a friend on breeding loan who had lot of prarie kings . That year he lost mine and all of his snakes in a fire.
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www.Bluerosy.com

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That sucks!!! Sorry to hear that. Do you remember if they were a cross or not?
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He sold them as pure. But i suspect they were crossed with mole kings. That is what colored them up.
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www.Bluerosy.com

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I still have photos of some of the adults. But I have to take them to walmart to scan them.

one of these days i will take a bunch of vitage photos with me to wallyworld and can them all. You never know when a subect like this come up and people might find a pic interesting.
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www.Bluerosy.com

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Actually i only heard from 2 others say that they were a cross with mole kings. But no one knows for sure.

The guy i gave them to for breeding loan said they looked pure. He specialized in prarie and had moles. So go figure..

Their bodies were really stout. But not from over feeding. just the way they looked. i will try and get a digital pic of the photo and see how that works.
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www.Bluerosy.com

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...did you (or anyone else) ever do scale counts on them??
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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" Maybe he fed those snakes to death Jimmy, who knows......"

True Dat!!!
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Genesis 1:1

Those things are cool, kind of makes me wish I had some calligaster. They look like they were getting like 4 or 5 pinkies a week, lol!
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Gerard

"Nur idioten hören können Schlangen."

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GONE FISHING!!!

LOL, your not kidding. I think they were stuffed. Then again they are pretty heavy bodied at least some of mine are. Those still look like a stuffed Italian sausage.
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Sucks they might be a cross, how are yours looking for this year?
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Gerard

"Nur idioten hören können Schlangen."

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GONE FISHING!!!

I have been putting them together even though they haven't shed, but the females don't want a damn thing to do with the males yet. Shouldn't be long a few are opaque now. I brought everything up late, and everyone I have conversed with that has bred them told me they are always the last to breed. I have 5 females to choose for the hypo male to breed with.
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The starbursts were a cross if I remember correctly with mole kings.

The stripes I have and I've worked them into the hypo. I have hypo het albino and hybino partial stripes hoping to make full stripes this year.
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I'm not sure how you got to that conclusion about me because I'm not the boogieman................. I'm real.

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>>The starbursts were a cross if I remember correctly with mole kings.
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That's what I thought as well.....mole king x amel prairie king
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Good Call!
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Cool, I have a partial stripe amel male and a partial stripe het amel female. I was hoping to produce at the very least striped hets but luck could always happen and produce the striped amel. I think the striped Hypo would be killer animals. Is there a huge difference from an amel and a hybino color wise as adults?
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I was wondering about the difference between the hypo and hybino, the hypo stripe would be sweet.
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Gerard

"Nur idioten hören können Schlangen."

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

I concur, hey you got a gentilis update in your mail box.
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That's awesome news, hope there's a anery in there.
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Gerard

"Ten minutes to wapner..."

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GONE FISHING!!!

Weird how thing disappear with time.

Jack offer that King project to me around 11 years ago when I bought his Dyer San Diego project.