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Hey guys, I was going through an old edition of the Vivarium magazine and noticed there were two different lines of anery celaenops published. One from "The Leather Egg" and another from "Selective Breeding". I know of one possibly two lines in the hobby now, which I have one from Hobb County.(Ryan Hoyer has an anery or hypoE he produced from Black Gap animals in 2008. I haven't heard any updates on them yet) Does anyone remember if both these lines came from Hobb county animals? Here are the photo's from the old issue, maybe it will jog a memory of them.


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Been looking at your various posts of the Vivarium articles. Awesome idea to post those - that was a fantastic publication. Neat animals, I remember them all. It is a real shame that these animals are no longer prevalent. But oh god you can get ball pythons now...

Thanks, every once in a while I go back and read some articles and look at the "new" stuff back then. Out of all the old magazines I think the Vivarium just seems to have better articles.IMHO

As far as BP's they had a few cutting edge morphs back then. Melanistics,Hypo's,Caramel albino and T-positive. Now it's crazy, I wonder how many of those morphs will be lost in 20 years?
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Right on.

And yes, ringer balls. I think everyone has figured out by now that they mean nothing lol. (I believe, but I know little about ball morphs..)

but I know little about ball morphs..

Yea, I second that...
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Yeah, all I really know about some of the Ball morphs is that if they have just one odd looking or different colored scale on their body, it constitutes a brand new cutting-edge morph worth many thousands!..HAHAA!!

"worth" being the key word here, as that is extremely relative on who says so and why...

Anyway, thanks for digging up some of those cool old Vivarium photos Jimmy!

~Doug
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I guess off to try and dig up some more old school stuff....
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Jimmy, The leather eg shop worked with the "Hobbs" animals like the one you got from me.That other line was a fluke and was just generic.I just saw the post or would have replied earlier.

L8r Shannon

Thanks, Good to know. Can you recall an anery annulata back in like 2004? Jeff Teel posted something about a guy named Chris from LA who had produced one. Anything come about that or was it the anery amaura?
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I emailed Jeff asking if he knew anything and still haven't heard back.
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Back to the eighties... Walt Deptula obtained New Mexico milks from Hobbs area which produced anery offspring. I obtained some from Walt. Other collectors did too. "Leather Egg" was Jim Kanzler, since out of the hobby. Jim was a dedicated breeder of many Colubrid species. Well known for producing superior animals and meticulous care, he was a staple exhibitor at White Plains show for many years. Tom Stamatin was also a fine milksnake breeder. We've lost touch, but he was also dedicated to his animals and their care.

Thanks!!! Great info I appreciate it....
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Steve is absolutely correct. The first ones were produced by Walt from a pair of Lea county celaenops. The animals were locality critters from the sand dune oil fields outside of Hobbs, NM. I sent the animals that produced the anerys to Walt.

Damon, thanks for the great information on these. Always some great stories behind these animals, and to have great locale data to boot! I truly appreciate you chiming in and letting me know, Thanks!
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