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Last year my female pyro mated and produced a fertile clutch of babies without having a post brumation shed. The male had the post brumation shed, though. This year two of my female pyros (different females) have mated without having the post brumation shed, but the male (different male) has had a post brumation shed.
The first shed gives the keeper an idea as to how close the females are to full follicle (unfertilized egg) development. Females appear to reach maximum reproductive receptivity from 3-14 days after this first shed.Bob Applegate

I am waiting on my two bred females to see if they become gravid in spite of not having had this shed.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Bob, the forgot to add some things to that quote. LOL. Yeah, my pyros usually breed prior to shed. I do have one book that states this about pyros.

Joe

What is the title of that book?
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Although the post-brumation shed is usually a very good indicater that ovulation is near, it is not a hard and fast rule for all ssp. or all conditions. Your pyros are a case in point.

In my opinion, if a female kingsnake breeds willingly, then she is ready. Hope you get eggs!

Well, both my females were very ready. Solid lockups, most gratifying for them and for me! LOL!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Bob, I will look through them tonight and let you know which book stated that. It said something about pyros breeding prior to the first shed and sometimes the males loose interest after the first shed. Somthing to that effect. I will PM you with the book when I find it. Wishing you good eggs ---toasting with my Capt. Morgan.

Joe

>>Bob, I will look through them tonight and let you know which book stated that. It said something about pyros breeding prior to the first shed and sometimes the males loose interest after the first shed. Somthing to that effect. I will PM you with the book when I find it. Wishing you good eggs ---toasting with my Capt. Morgan.
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>>Joe

I have many species breeding prior to first shed this year but this is a strange year for me and my collection.......keeping the room cooler is understandably making everything take longer.......

I do believe they will shed, breed some more, shed again then lay eggs......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Mr. Hubbs doesn't even mention a post brumation shed in his Mountain King book. I have 4 L.knoblochi females gravid right now that never even had a post brumation shed. It also looks as though one of my L.p.pyromelana is gravid too, with no post brumation shed.

I have noticed some NA milks will breed with no post brumation shed and lay good clutches. Once my females are up to weight(usually 2-5 weeks) I will introduce the males shed or no shed, and continue this until the are gravid.

If the female sheds I put her shed in with the male. If he starts going crazy it's time to start the introduction.
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Yeah, strange year for me too. I have two gravid zonata that did not shed either. I usually introduce the male two weeks or so after pulling them from brumation, just in case , and I guess they were both "in case" this year. LOL

Joe

I introduced my getula in late Feb... my female just had her shed last week. She is already noticeably gravid. In fact she is refusing food at this point. The male seems to be more determined than ever but she is not having it..
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