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Why Dotz Was Not Receptive?

pyromaniac Apr 12, 2012 06:38 AM


Yesterday I was testing to see if my little Zuni was a male or a female, and he tried to mate with Dotz, my big proven female. She was not receptive, which sort of surprised me. The I got to thinking, she had been with her mate Mazar all of February after coming out of brumation, and even though I loaned Mazar out the end of February, they did have four weeks together. Now she is looking kind of full, and her skin is looking like she may be preparing to go blue soon, and she has declined eat recently. She may be gravid, which is why she was not receptive to Zuni's attempts yesterday.

This is sort of confusing as her half sister Zunchara was also with Mazar in the same cage at the same time, but she is very receptive to both my other males during this last week. Last year Zunchara never produced any eggs even though she mated. By the time she mated last year maybe the male had run out of viable sperm, having used it all up with Dotz first. I am hoping this year with two males she will catch one way or the other. Maybe she just comes on later than her half sister Dotz. I thought the females would both become receptive at the same time, but maybe they do vary.

One thing is certain, keeping and breeding these little critters sure blows any assumptions and preconceived notions right out of the water! LOL!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Replies (11)

mikefedzen Apr 12, 2012 03:30 PM

I'd say she's gravid.
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pyromaniac Apr 12, 2012 04:53 PM

I'd say she's gravid.
And I thought I was so clever removing the male before the females had their post brumation shed, with the idea that no mating would happen until after that shed. (Wanted to not breed this year; later changed mind.) Well, none of my females have had that post brumation shed but all have mated, so there goes another assumption out the window! LOL! If I had thought to go back over last year's records of shedding and mating I would have noticed that Dotz bred before shedding then, too, only having a pre-lay shed after coming out of brumation.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

rosspadilla Apr 12, 2012 07:55 PM

I agree. All the way.
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Bluerosy Apr 12, 2012 09:26 PM

I agree. She looks gravid!

Pyro,
If you palpitate the females you can feel the eggs in them.

If i was you I would put the females in a encloser by themselves once they get gravid. They need the rest and not the aggrivation of a horny male.
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pyromaniac Apr 13, 2012 09:13 AM

My two big females are together, with no males. The one big female I am trying to make sure gets bred is put with the male for awhile each day, in a separate tub. The cage with the younger female and her mate; he is still with her but he has stopped wanting to breed as she is likely gravid and he doesn't seem to be bothering her. After the females have their pre-lay shed I put them in maternity tubs by themselves, also. Went out yesterday and bought new big Glad containers to make into moss filled maternity lay tubs!
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

Bluerosy Apr 14, 2012 10:50 AM

Went out yesterday and bought new big Glad containers to make into moss filled maternity lay tubs!

I love it when kings use them. My floridana unfortunatly don't care for tubs. They lay underneath them. So a few years ago I started using large cermic tiles which i lay on top of vermiculate and perlite mix wich i spread on one side of the cage. They burrow under that and lay.

i guess they don't like high ceilings.
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pyromaniac Apr 14, 2012 07:07 PM

I pack the Glad containers pretty full so there is not much head room. Then I put an inverted soda flat box over the hide, for more privacy. My pyros and pits seem to like to cram themselves into tight places.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

DMong Apr 12, 2012 07:59 PM

Better get some baby snake marketing skills going then..

~Doug
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pyromaniac Apr 13, 2012 09:19 AM


Better get some baby snake marketing skills going then..

Argh!!! My least favorite part of this hobby; I would rather clean a thousand mouse tubs than have to go talk to people! Guess I need to bite the bullet and do it, though...I think I will try going to local herps meetings first where people bring their animals.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

markg Apr 13, 2012 01:31 PM

When you cool males and females together, you will often see one female choose one male and stick with him. Of course, he will be happy with that as well. This is possibly why the other female may not be as receptive to Mazar as your gravid one was.

BTW, I've never seen mating during brumation, I never knew to watch for it. But I would not doubt that it could happen, especially with montane snakes. I had a zonata be gravid very early in the year, and she was only brumated with the male but separated before the end of January.

pyromaniac Apr 13, 2012 07:12 PM

If Zunchara is not gravid again this season I will brumate her with a male and not have her sister Dotz with them. It seems odd that a male would only mate with one of the two females in the trio cage and leave the other female untouched. But then these snakes do seem to do unusual things. As it is, when I put Zunchara with Zuni again today they didn't hook up this time. I think breeding season is now over at my place. At least she did mate with two different males (neither of whom she brumated with) starting last week, and had several days of good hookups.

So I may have three gravid pyros. Time will tell.
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Bob
Pyromaniac AKA Greatballzofire
Keeping cats allows man to cohabitate with tigers. Keeping reptiles allows man to cohabitate with dinosaurs.

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