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The picture is of my Casper male (Albino Ghost) breeding a female Blue-Eyed Blonde.

Here is my small lsit of breeding projects for 2012, still breeding, no eggs yet.

Double het ghost & hypo x double het ghost & hypo

Double het ghost & hypo x double het ghost & hypo

Triple het ghost, hypo, albino x triple het ghost, hypo, albino

Triple het ghost, hypo, albino x triple het ghost. hypo, albino

Double het ghost & lavender x double het ghost & lavender

Double het ghost & lavender x double het ghost & lavender

Double het ghost & lavender x double het ghost & lavender

Double het ghost & lavender x double het ghost & lavender

Double het ghost & lavender x double het ghost & lavender

Double het lavender & hypermelanistic x double het lavender & hypermelanistic

Double het lavender & hypermelanistic x double het lavender & hypermelanistic

Triple het albino, lavender, hypermelanistic x triple het albino, lavender & hypermelanistic

Casper (albino ghost) x Blue-Eyed Blonde

Splendida double het albino & hypo x splendida double het albino & hypo

Splendida axanthic x splendida hypo

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Cool picture Kerby. Most of those pairings should be pretty predictable, huh?

--Dennis

That's quite a list, Kerby. Do you have any photos of the Triple het albino, lavender, hypermelanistic?
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The male.......

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Here are the parents of the triple hets.

A Blizzard (displaying both albino & hypermelanistic at the same time) breeding a Lavender, thus all the babies are triple hets (albino, lavender, hypermelanistic).

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

That is awesome! Thanks for those pictures. So, I guess its true any time a het carries both the lavender and albino gene, it will look hypomelanistic?
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>>That is awesome! Thanks for those pictures. So, I guess its true any time a het carries both the lavender and albino gene, it will look hypomelanistic?
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Yea....they look like hypos that are triple het for lav, amel and hyper......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

How do you know? LOL
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>>How do you know? LOL
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Lol....ok....they look like hypos.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

>>>>How do you know? LOL
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>>Lol....ok....they look like hypos.....

No, I mean't how did you know that combination of hets is supposed to look like a hypo, but I just realized you were probably going by the pictures Kerby posted.

They sure do look like hypo's. I don't know what makes them not, other than they are not supposed to be.
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Some of the double hets (usually males) will pop out "hypo" looking but they are just double hets.

Here is a double het for albino & lavender that came out looking different.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

OK, good to know. I know someone that bred a Blizzard to a Lavender and all the triple hets looked hypo or like a dark lavender. I guess it can happen sometimes. Here's one of them.

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Now why isn't that hypo?
Not being facetious just curious.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Because I think of the term hypo besides appearance is also a recessive gene.....like the hypos that I do have (proven recessive).

This guy is 100% double het (albino & lavender) and that is all. He does NOT carry a recessive gene of hypo.

It happens all the time when you breed two recessive genes together, thus producing double het babies and some of them appear different than the norm. I do not have an explanation for that.

I do not want to be quick in "mislabeling" those that look different as is too common in the classifieds.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

>>Because I think of the term hypo besides appearance is also a recessive gene.....like the hypos that I do have (proven recessive).
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>>This guy is 100% double het (albino & lavender) and that is all. He does NOT carry a recessive gene of hypo.
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>>It happens all the time when you breed two recessive genes together, thus producing double het babies and some of them appear different than the norm. I do not have an explanation for that.
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>>I do not want to be quick in "mislabeling" those that look different as is too common in the classifieds.

Thanks for the explanation.......I agree it fits the definition of hypo but if not reproducible via a recessive, codom or dominant gene then I guess it's just a different looking normal? But these normals are expressing something different than the norm due to the genes they are carrying......like markers? Visual hets?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

Out of the clutch of double hets (albino & lavender) he was the only one that was different.....but yet they were all double hets.

Here is a picture of him with a regular high white (not his clutch mate) just to show how different he was as a hatchling.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

That is a really unique looking animal! I guess my earlier comment about predictability is way wrong. Thanks for all the insight. Very interesting!

--Dennis

Had this male double het for ghost & lavender pop out different looking.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

THAT is awesome!!
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Genesis 1:1

Another male triple het that looks different.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

A male double het for ghost & hypo that looks different.

Kerby...

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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Wow, that is very interesting. Thanks for that info.
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Love the squiggly patterns on top.
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Genesis 1:1

Sweet! Your going to make some cool stuff this year.
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Gerard

"I, rule the midnight air, the destroyer. Born, I shall soon be there, deadly mass."

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

I like how you do mostly the same traits together, like triple het x triple het where both snakes are triple hets of the same traits. Makes it easy to follow (unlike what goes on with those Florida king breeders, lol).

Just after certain results.

In the future.........

Blizzard (albino & hypermelanistic)to a Coral Ghost (hypo & ghost), producing quad hets (albino, hypermelanistic, ghost, hypo).

Blizzard (albino & hypermelanistic) to a Pink Pearl Ghost (ghost & lavender), producing quad hets (albino, hypermelanistic, ghost, lavender).

The hard part is getting a cal king to display two recessive traits at the same time. We have had Blizzards (albino & hypermelanistic) for awhile. And Purple Passions (lavender & hypermelanistic).

Now I have:
Coral Ghost cal kings (hypo & ghost)
Casper Ghost cal kings (albino & ghost)
Pink Pearl Ghost cal kings (lavender & ghost)

I have:
triple het cal kings (albino, lavender, hypermelanistic)
triple het cal kings (hypo, ghost, albino)

And hopefully this year I will have triple hets (albino, ghost, Blue-Eyed Blonde).

I had done a matrix once will all the cal king recessive genes to help me in my pairings. It is a slow process......

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.

Hahahahaha!!!!
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Gerard

"I, rule the midnight air, the destroyer. Born, I shall soon be there, deadly mass."

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

I can understand why you think that. The Florida king traits became confusing for those unfamiliar with their traits. There is no kingsnake that does what the Florida king traits do now. So it is hard for people to wrap their mind around.

I will try and make it real simple. Think of it this way...the Peanut butter, T negative amel and Jelly as one snake. One trait. just expressing themselves differently.

they all share alleles with each other. Just not with other traits. So they are not codom. But act like a codom trait with each other.

So if you bred a Peanut butter ghost to a Jelly axanthic. You would get jelly axanthics and PB axanthics that are het for hypo.
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Really nice line-up there coach! I may have to break down and get some of those light and dark ghosts this year. Good Luck with all those hets and double and triples, hope the odds go in your favor!
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Most of my females are gravid with only one female yet to shed for the first time. Tomorrow I will see who needs lay boxes. I am hoping for some interesting hatchlings in August and September.

Kerby...
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Life is like a bunch of fish in an aquarium....we all get along (bonding) until I want to eat you....and I do.