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This morning, in one of the most disappointing results of my 27 year Boa breeding career, I had yet another Parthenogenetic litter. At least that is what it appears to be. A VPI girl this morning presented me with 10 bouncing VPI babies in one of my most anticipated litters of the season. All ten of them are females.

The problem is this girl has never had a VPI male in with her. To say this litter is disappointing is an understatement. The really insane thing is so far every single VPI female that I have tried to breed I have been fortunate enough to actually get to reproduce. In every instance I had some seemingly Partho babies. Last year a VPI PP female that had never seen a VPI male in the same cage with her, produced two VPI PP females and a full litter of offspring that were clearly from the male that had bred her. Fifty days ago another VPI PP female gave birth to four VPI PP babies. All females. Again no offspring produced by the male that had bred her. So todays litter is number 3 in my unbroken series of making female likely Partho VPI kiddies.

It’s certainly nothing to do with the VPI bloodline. It must be the more I hope for and wish for a great litter of cutting edge coolness, the more likely that the gravid female is able to sense that hope and produce with or without any contribution from the male. I have had this same all female brigade result now seven times in my Boa breeding career. I am convinced the frequency with which this is happening must be the result of some unknown environmental factors. I don’t like it one bit but I guess it really is better than slugs given that passing babies is a lot easier on females than slugs are.

Stay tuned as the forth VPI girl I have bred is due on July 10th. She will no doubt give me more VPI girls and NOT the half a litter of Key West babies het VPI I have been hoping for... Just kidding as I am really hoping to get a normal litter from that girl.

The color and variation on these babies is astounding though!

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Jeff Ronne Sr
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Really amazing and thought provoking litter Jeff, but "dissapointing"? come on now. Those are some of the most beautiful vpi babies i have ever seen. Congrats and condolences.

Has the product of a parthenogenic litter ever reproduced? If not, partho babies are a dead end, hence Jeff's disappointment.

Also, you know Jeff, he may have been shooting for something far more awesome (if that's imagionable).

we've seen a fair number of pink panther litters already so far this season and many more to come im sure. So to make more is redundancy. I agree with Jeff, its a disappointment as the goal Im guessing was to take something and "next level it" by bringing the pink panther gene into it, not make more pink panthers. when these sort of things happen, they are failure in terms of the grand scheme of things, and a success in terms of beautiful babies, however this is only a small detail of the plan.

I agree with you. Its unfortunate that the "next level" was not reached with this litter. I was sooo excited to see them!!

However, beautiful babies were still created nonetheless.

BTW, Good to meet you on Saturday

Ulysses

im curious about this as well. Haven't heard enough to say for sure about this topic. Can you clear this up Jeff?

Ulysses

Beautiful liter Jeff but I am utterly crushed and heart broken not only for you but for me too.
I was so excited for this fem to give birth , this is killing me another Partho litter !

So sorry Jeff what a bummer

. . . Lar M
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Still some nice pink T boas with some crazy patterns, congrats Jeff.
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Richard Ceniceros

I feel your pain Jeff. However, before I opened the post, I thought you got a slugger without notice so I consider it a success. Its just unfortunate that it wasn't what you expected it to be.

Thanks for sharing!

Ulysses

It is interesting that the BWC and the VPIT have produced these litters which otherwise don't seem to happen that often. Is there something in the T females that makes them more able to produce these litters?

I can say that in producing these VPI babies since the first time in 2000, I went 11 years, 100% always got what I was supposed to get in every breeding! I have bred quite a few female VPI t boas and in all those breedings I have gotten two baby t that were unexpected, one baby in two separate litters, and it happened for the first time here last year after 11 years of it not happening.

I think that my actual data in numbers in terms of expected outcomes from breeding a known male to a female t and having the babies be the expected babies out numbers Jeff's admittedly fascinating experience!

I would like to pose the question if it could be some kind of a timing issue with follicle development and breeding by a male. These questions and results might be narrowed down with ultrasound.

Having given that info, want to congratulate you on your litters!

Maybe you should send all those fancy males down here for me to breed to my female VPI t's--my girls will deliver the goods and we can get those projects going!

>>I can say that in producing these VPI babies since the first time in 2000, I went 11 years, 100% always got what I was supposed to get in every breeding! I have bred quite a few female VPI t boas and in all those breedings I have gotten two baby t that were unexpected, one baby in two separate litters, and it happened for the first time here last year after 11 years of it not happening.
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>>I think that my actual data in numbers in terms of expected outcomes from breeding a known male to a female t and having the babies be the expected babies out numbers Jeff's admittedly fascinating experience!
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>>I would like to pose the question if it could be some kind of a timing issue with follicle development and breeding by a male. These questions and results might be narrowed down with ultrasound.
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It is certainly possible that it has to do with the way Jeff breeds his snakes but then you would expect it to happen sometimes with all of the morphs and local specific snakes he breeds and not just the VPIT animals.Of all of the thousands of litters that people have produced in the past two decades how many litters other than the ones in T animals have had this kind of litter?
Have there been any similar litters from the central american T animals?
Obviously this can occur in animals that don't have a T mutation but it seems to be occuring in those animals at a higher rate.

I'd like to know if this is T related but not to the T gene but to a litter where these super females producing parthos all could have originated from. they're all a Pink Panther related thing and im wondering if all these Pink Panthers are from a litter in 07 or so which produced them all...just a guess...

I know that one of my females that had one baby t that was unexpected was not a pink panther, she was a female t from the unrelated male x het t VPI line.

the one i have here that had 2 parthos at Jeff Ronne's house last year was a 2006 Pink Panther produced at your facilities. I have no knowledge of the animal in this thread nor the couple others i saw parthos from last year, i think Green Tea tony was another or Dan brown or something or other cant recall...

i had said 2006 but its a 2007