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Despite a lot of bad mobile pictures, I think just that I wanted to show them anyway

Back in 2010 I made in collaboration with Mark Krabbe the first Onyx het Sharp Albino

Last year we made the first Salmon Onyx
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This season we put an Onyx het Sharp Albino on a DH Sharp Sunglow ........ And made the first Sunglow Onyx

They mated, female ovulated, shed, and threw a litter 100 days after POS ..... All the babys have shed and eaten several times. So everything by the book.

In the litter there are both normal, salmon, Sunglow, Onyx, Salmon Onyx and Sunglow Onyx.

Here are just some mobile pictures.

Unfortunately I did not take as many of the pregnancy until towards the end

I'll take some better pictures when I just get hold of a decent camera

Ovulating 13.01.12

20.04.12

27.04.12 heat preserving

07.05.12 Adjusting the babys.

09.05.12 Here they come.

Here they are. Just born. 1.1 Sunglow Onyx

3 X Onyx

Salmon Onyx after shedding.

Sunglow Onyx after shedding.

I'll update with some better pictures soon.......

Regards
Thicco
Denmark

Congrats looks like a beautiful Litter ! . . . . . . . . . .
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. . . but at best this would be a Sharp Sunglow possible het for Onyx ? . ? . ? . ? . . . . . .

Since Onyx produces visual hets than it would be obvious which are Sharp Het Onyx and which are not

Isn't an Onyx Boa a Mutation similar maybe not exactly the same but similar to Leopard Boa . . . except Onyx is from Honduras Boa ?

Plus also a type of Visual T Positive all wrapped in one produced first by Freek Nuyt ?

How could you make Onyx Boas in the first generation. First Hets or visual Hets ( Incomplete Dominant / CoDominant ) anyway visual hets would have to first be made . . . . . correct ?

Anyway I'm probably completely confused congrats on all the obviously hard work you have put in and the progress you are making !

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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They are Sharp Sunglow Onyx.

The Onyx trait is a co-dominant trait.

Freek Nuyt explains the genes on his webpage.
See this link --> ONYX

Now I am looking forward to see them all in the super....

>>They are Sharp Sunglow Onyx.
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>>The Onyx trait is a co-dominant trait.
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>>Freek Nuyt explains the genes on his webpage.
>>See this link --> ONYX
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>>Now I am looking forward to see them all in the super....

I believe its actually a recessive trait. At the time I wrote my last book, I was uncertain however looking at the results (of yours and others) I believe now that its recessive and you have hets there.

cheers, John
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John Berry
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Then maybe a picture of the parents would help...I just see normal looking Sunglows? What are the characteristics that make an Onyx boa?
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ajfreptiles.com

In all honesty from the pictures i can't make out an onyx maybe with better pics of the individuals it will shed a better light on what they are.
@ John,

I would have to disagree with you, i have had quite a few Onyx litters over the years since i first produced them, and also litters from superonyx which give a clear insight in what is going on genetically, besides the one litter produce by mark krabbe and one in the UK which could likely be Onyx and superonyx i am not aware of any true onyx being produced from an onyx breeding outside these and my breedings, besides this i am, as far as i know please correct me if i am wrong, the only one who has results from multiple superonyx (homozygous) breedings to verify facts on the genetics and they show a different picture.

>>In all honesty from the pictures i can't make out an onyx maybe with better pics of the individuals it will shed a better light on what they are.
>>@ John,
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>>I would have to disagree with you, i have had quite a few Onyx litters over the years since i first produced them, and also litters from superonyx which give a clear insight in what is going on genetically, besides the one litter produce by mark krabbe and one in the UK which could likely be Onyx and superonyx i am not aware of any true onyx being produced from an onyx breeding outside these and my breedings, besides this i am, as far as i know please correct me if i am wrong, the only one who has results from multiple superonyx (homozygous) breedings to verify facts on the genetics and they show a different picture.

Freek, I was going on the info from your website and the others. I'm not having a dig at the morph, its nice. I just don't see why you think its a codom with a super ? To me it looks like a simple recessive with hets that have slight markers or not ? ... maybe I have misunderstood your postings and that of others, but to me these look like morph carriers with no visual markings meaning they would be hets. Same with Glenns pairing in the UK and those of Peter Rice. If you are at Hamm next weekend, I'll look for you so you can maybe show me what you think I'm missing.

cheers, John
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John Berry
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Hi John,

No prblem my tables are located in row 21 main hall i wll have a few onyx and a sumoton with me so you can see them in real life and besides this i will explain the genetics to you.

The info on my site is accurate but the confusing part on it is that i put the breeding results on there chronologically at the start when there was a strong inducation that it was co-dom but not beyond any doubt i stated that until definately prooven co-dom i would use the term onyx for the homozygous form and "het Onyx"for the visual hets in my opinion this is the correct way to do it as at the time there were no results from the homozygous form(superonyx) breedings to verify facts. Later on with more breeding results from the following years including results from superonyx and results became clear that it definately was co-dom as was suspected the name of the homozygous form was changed to Super Onyx and the visuals were named onyx, no different as in jungle - superjungle or motley and supermotley.

I deliberatly put the story on there chronologically to give a clear insight in how the breeding results progressed to give a clear vieuw on the findings over the years, maybe it would have been a better option as results came in to adjust the page and leave out a big part on results and the info on those, its a choice you make but i opted for the one i use as i think if you read it carefully it gives a more open vieuw on the onyx mutation.

Freek

Now I understand thx . . .I was looking for Super Onyx with bright cherry red eyes !

That makes more sense now OK congrats thx for your patience with me !

. . . Lar M
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Boas By Klevitz

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Congratulations on a healthy litter, and great photo documentation of the process. I feel a little confused though. I'm not sure what trait we are looking at. Can you please explain the physical characteristics of the onyx boas? How are these boas different from other boas that have triangle shaped bowties? Maybe you can show us some side by side photos of an onyx and a non-onyx sibling. That would probably help me understand the trait better.

Again, congrats on a great litter.

-Anthony

My first time hearing of Onyx, is it co dom i assume?

Pretty cool.

Mike

1st I will apologize because I will say some stuff that is going to bother you but I believe when you put a post like this one you must be prepared for the opinions of others, sometimes they may not be what you want to hear, otherwise don't post.

This posting seems like a rush to be "worlds first" of something for the sake of being in some race. It seems to me this way anyway. the onyx as I know it is a black boa, now the black boa is eferred to a "super onyx" but until recently the black snake was the onyx. Now the hets are onyx. If i saw correctly recently an italian keeper showed on fb The T version and its called the "red Barron" correct? I ask so to make sure we're taking about the same morph. Having asked this and assuming I'm right, this here are the 1st level before the visual black boa in a sunglow paint job. Calling this a worlds first in my opinion is like calling a sunglow het blood the worlds first because it has het blood markers, or calling a albino het leopard albino a worlds first because it has leopard markers. The bloody sunglow is the goal, the leopard albino is the goal, anything else is a step closer and not a "worlds first." obviously those have been done for years now I'm just making an argument.

Perhaps I'm wrong , and that bowtie saddled boa is a morph but that doesnt make sense...but if I am mistaken s because this morph isn't well known in the USA and your 1st order of business is to teach us over here about it not give us a link and tell us go learn. Then after you've taught something tell us about what you just bred.

Sorry if this bothers you, it's my honest opinion.

"perfectpredators"

It does not bother me at all.
Everybody has the right to have an opinion. I gave a link to Freek`s homepage in my second post, because I think he explains the gene very well there.
I do not have the time or skills to make a homepage to explain everything at the moment.
It is not a rush for me to be the first in the world to produce these…… But they are So that is what I call them, nothing more nothing less
In the same way there was a first to produce a salmon jungle or sunglow jungle, salmon motley and sunglow motley.
I am still convinced it is a co-dominant trait.
The difference from the jungle and motley gene compared to Onyx is….. This super is able to reproduce
Freek has made several litters using a super….
The black boa you are referring to is the super form of Onyx.
What I am trying to make is the salmon, albino and sunglow supers. As I can only imagine how they will look.
Yes, there has been made a super onyx T+ version by Freek Nuyt.