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I found these photos on another forum. One member says this snake looks like a Desert king.

The owner says this "he is a florida,as have seen the parents hand picked as male,the young man did have a female much the same but with more spotting that died last year!! and as i know all about kings i will stick with what i have been told/seen!!"

What do you think?

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Hi Ross,...

The guy that claims it is a "Florida king" is very incorrect, and so is the person regarding it being a splendida, although it certainly DOES have strong splendida INFLUENCE in it's lineage. That is most DEFINITELY a subspecific cross involving a Desert king (L.g.splendida). It could even be an Eastern x splendida, or dark Florida x splendida, but it is not any ONE particular subspecies. I'd like to see the rest of them that this guy claims to be "Florida kings"..LOL!...forget about it!

I see tons of splendida characterictics in it's solid black, somewhat "sock head" type head marking and the yellow snout and labial markings and also the very intermediate body pattern and coloring.

No doubt at all that's a splendida cross.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Are you sure, Doug? Cuz the guy said he knows all about kingsnakes.
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np
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Why I say, you attack is, you do not consider anything said, and use random questions that do not relate to the subject or the train of thought that will allow you to learn about the subject. You jump back and forth in some random line of questioning base on what you do not understand.

FR

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>>Why I say, you attack is, you do not consider anything said, and use random questions that do not relate to the subject or the train of thought that will allow you to learn about the subject. You jump back and forth in some random line of questioning base on what you do not understand.
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Thanks, Doug! I agree. Here is what he will be breeding it to.

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This being the problem with misrepresenting crosses. ARGGGGGGG!!!!! Makes me cringe.

Joe

I do wonder why it makes you cringe. The reason I say this is, You already known crosses are out there and common, so I would thing you make sure the animals you acquire are WHAT THEY ARE. Anything else is not.

I would think that would be common practice after all, crosses have been on the market for 30 years or more. Cheers

that guy thinks he has Floridana, does he?
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Gerard

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Frank, I know my snakes are what they are (at least 90 percent of them) because I caught them. I just dont like that fact that people buy snakes they are told are something and then find out they are not what was advertised. That makes me cringe.

Joe

No one said you have to like it. Its always buyer beware. Its been commonplace for decades.

All you can do is what you want to do.

And Please, it wasn't me or BR, many many many many others did worse. and when I say worse, its about what your afraid of.

They cross animals out of ignorance and do not label them crosses.

And often its not about the people. Its just commonplace.

Let me give you an example, My first varanid cross was out of ignorace, but whos? is the question.

I obtained a pair of FLAVIS, the later found another "Flavi" at a show in San Diego. It was labelled a Flavi. I looked it up and a well respected BOOK and there was a picture exactly like that animal. It was labelled an eastern Flavirufus. So I bred them with my central Flavis.

As time went by, I did lots and lots of field research and discovered, there is no such thing as an eastern FLAVI. in fact, there are V.g.gouldi. What I had was, V.flavirufus, or V.g.flavirufus, depending on which book you read and the timing of that book.

So I told everyone I sold those animals to, they were crosses.

Also as the difinition of naming these animals changes, many of what we CALLED PURE, will no longer be PURE. Newer discriptions tend to divide what we called called subspecies into distint species. So what we called the same species then becomes a HYBRID. So how does that work.

Then there are those that do these crosses on purpose, and don't label those animals as crosses.

In the end, they are all part of what your complaining about.

I was part of the original thayeri produced in this country. I did tell folks here, that we bred these Thayeri from different parts of THAYERI range and called them thayeri. Problem was, they were not all THAYERI. Until we actually learned to find them in numbers, it was normal to collect one here, and one there. Indeed, that is outcrossing and to a point of hybrids.

So again, all you can do at this point is make sure you buy WHAT YOU WANT. All the complaining on earth will get you nowhere. Cheers

Yeah, and I just wonder what the parents, that he thought were pure floridana, looked like.
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I know. When he mentioned the one that died that had "more dots" on it, I wonder if it was on the sides from the splendida influence or just a few speckles from distant floridana influence..LOL!. I would love to see the stuff he sifted through and claimed as the real deal.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com