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Here are two completely different lines of Florida Kings. One very similar to a WC Brooks although there is no locality data on the parents, and the other is one of Doug's High Yellows. The high yellow makes the normal almost look like an Axanthic.

Also had more eggs laid today from a Peanut Butter het X Jelly. I like these low profile containers for nest boxes too.

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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Congrats Jorge!! Nice looking animals bro.. and those yellows will just get better with time.

Joe

I expect that yellow to continue getting better for sure. The female is a year behind, so I will mate him with this girl, which I wasn't going to breed yet, but she is definately ovulating right now.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Nice....I like those yellow ones of Doug's......
I hope you get some killer babies Jorge.....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...

They are both small, so I may only get slugs, but we'll see.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Those are all looking real nice Jorge!. Those low profile tubs do look great for nesting, giving them a good sense of security.

Great batch of eggs going on there bud....

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Thanks Doug, the tubs are easy for the females to find the entrance of also. The yellow really pops on that male when compared to a normal.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Yeah, he's definitely coloring up real well man. I really like that pale one you have there a bunch too.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Real nice Jorge! Congrats on those pearly whites too! Never gets dull seeing some eggs.....Next step the most anticipated part waiting LOL
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Thanks Jimmy! Yeah, waiting sucks.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Those are killer bud!
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Gerard

"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "

www.livebaitclip.com

GONE FISHING!!!

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>>"Sleep my friend and you will see, your dreams are my reality. "
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>>GONE FISHING!!!
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

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>>Here are two completely different lines of Florida Kings. One very similar to a WC Brooks although there is no locality data on the parents, and the other is one of Doug's High Yellows. The high yellow makes the normal almost look like an Axanthic.

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>>Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

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>>What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!

>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?

>> ~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

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Those are very nice. What do you expect to get from the peanut butter het x jelly? I bet to you guys that's an easy question, but I have no idea. lol
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>>Those are very nice. What do you expect to get from the peanut butter het x jelly? I bet to you guys that's an easy question, but I have no idea. lol
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Well, seeing as she only laid 4 eggs, and 2 were duds, I may only get more hets. There should be Peanut Butters, and Jellies in a clutch from this pairing, as well as hets. I breed the Jelly male to a couple other females, so maybe I'll still get lucky?
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

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>>>>Those are very nice. What do you expect to get from the peanut butter het x jelly? I bet to you guys that's an easy question, but I have no idea. lol

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>>Well, seeing as she only laid 4 eggs, and 2 were duds, I may only get more hets. There should be Peanut Butters, and Jellies in a clutch from this pairing, as well as hets. I breed the Jelly male to a couple other females, so maybe I'll still get lucky?

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>>Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

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>>What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!

>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?

>> ~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

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Cool. I don't think there are two morphs who's genetics work like that in Cal kings. Is there any chance of getting a double homo?
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that's what the Jelly is. It's actually a double homo Peanut Butter and T-neg albino. So whenever a T-neg gene encounters a PB gene the result is Jelly. That's why the Peanut Butter het will have some babies, that bond if you will, with the T-neg gene and result in Jellies. When the two PB genes line up, you get PB. If the het was for t-neg then breeding to a Jelly would make jellies, and T-negs, along with some normal looking hets. so a het from breeding a normal snake to a Jelly, will be het for one of the 2. Either t-neg or PB. you won't know which untill breeding trials are done. It's actually similar to the Ultramel Corn snakes. The 2 genes are allelic.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

>>that's what the Jelly is. It's actually a double homo Peanut Butter and T-neg albino. So whenever a T-neg gene encounters a PB gene the result is Jelly. That's why the Peanut Butter het will have some babies, that bond if you will, with the T-neg gene and result in Jellies. When the two PB genes line up, you get PB. If the het was for t-neg then breeding to a Jelly would make jellies, and T-negs, along with some normal looking hets. so a het from breeding a normal snake to a Jelly, will be het for one of the 2. Either t-neg or PB. you won't know which untill breeding trials are done. It's actually similar to the Ultramel Corn snakes. The 2 genes are allelic.

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>>Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

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>>What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!

>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?

>> ~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

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Very interesting. Thanks for that.
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I just re-read what I wrote, and it does sound confusing. To make it clearer, Rainer was the one who discovered that T-neg and Peanut Butter are allelic. He bred a PB to a T-neg and all the babies hatched out Jellies in the first generation. The two genes combined without having to make hets.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

>>I just re-read what I wrote, and it does sound confusing. To make it clearer, Rainer was the one who discovered that T-neg and Peanut Butter are allelic. He bred a PB to a T-neg and all the babies hatched out Jellies in the first generation. The two genes combined without having to make hets.

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Wow, that is odd. I get It.
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PB to T neg = all Jellies
Jelly to jelly= Jelies, PB and T negs
Jelly to PB = PB and Jellies
Jelly to T neg= Jellies and T negs

They share a locus on a single allele. It is hard to wrap ones mind around. But the simplest way for me during breeding season is if i have a T neg Ghost and a PB Ghost i can breed them and get Jelly ghosts.

Just think of it like this. The Jelly, PB and T neg are all one the same recessive trait. That make it easier to undertsand when combining multi hets with any three of those traits during breeding season and matching up pairs.or They don't have to match up like PB to PB. Or T neg to T neg. As long is het or visual one any one of those three . Like i said, best way is to think of them as all the same trait.

It really opened up the possibilities with multi het like the 4-5 and 6 way hets because it does not matter which of these three visual explanations (PB , Jelly, T neg) as long as the other traits involved line up.

For instance this year i bred a Jelly /hypo/axanthic homo to a snow (anery/lavender) which will create 5 way hets.

Now i also bred a Albescent which is a T neg x axanthic x hypo homozygot to another snow.

Now when these babies are born I can mix and match the hets from any two of these clucthes and they will line up.
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NICE!
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Genesis 1:1

>>NICE!
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>>Genesis 1:1
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Very nice Jorge.

>>Very nice Jorge.

Just thought we needed to see some pics, and get away from the traps.
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Disclaimer: I do keep several snakes in pairs, and some in groups. However I realize that things can go wrong, and I have to keep a close eye on those groups, to be sure they are not being adversely affected by these living conditions. Also if one happens to eat it's cagemate, it is 100% my fault, and I know the risks in advance!

What's wrong with using CAUTION?!?!?!
King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
~ Jorge Sierra www.SierraSnakes.com

Wow Jorge. Looks like you are staying busy. And so are the snakes!

--Dennis